[geeks] Socialized medicine [was Re: nVidia 8800GT for Apple Mac Pro]

[Shannon Hendrix]

On Jun 2, 2008, at 22:15 , der Mouse wrote:

>>>> Do you consider murder and rape to be immoral?
>>> Yes.
>>>> If so, should murder and rape be illegal?
>>> Yes, but not because [it's] immoral.
>> Why beacuse it's bad business?  Messy?  Noisy?
>
> I would say, because it is _sufficiently widely agreed to be_ immoral.

Well, there is also the concept of your rights ending where they  
infringe upon the rights of another.

That's one reason abortion is such a sticky issue: the woman's right  
to not carry a child to term infringes upon the child's right to a  
reasonable chance of survival, and yes that is protected by the  
Constitution.

So the next argument generally centers on whether or not the child is  
really alive, or at what point it becomes alive.

Of course, if someone tells me the child is alive from the beginning,  
then I have to point out that woman and men both carry half of a life  
in them, so I guess that means we can't ever execute a criminal, since  
they have potential babies in them.

NOTE: I'm not saying the above argument is valid, just observing that  
it is the next logical argument, and no one really wants to talk about  
it.

I'm generally opposed to abortion because it is yet another way for  
people to be irresponsible, using it as a form of "oh shit" birth  
control, instead of acting like responsible adults.

At the same time I really don't like telling a woman what she can and  
cannot do with her body.

Abortion is an unfortunate issue because it includes within it,  
conflicting ideas of what is right.

I believe in the woman's rights, but I also believe the unborn child  
has a right to life.

There probably is no solid way to resolve this, so the best thing we  
can do is leave the government out of it, and actively encourage  
people to be responsible.

Changing minds works far better than changing law, in those rare times  
when we actually do it instead.

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"Where some they sell their dreams for small desires."