[SunHELP] Re: SunHELP digest, Vol 1 #1507 - 15 msgs
Tony Escujuri
tony at unixadm.net
Tue Feb 5 08:56:18 CST 2002
----- Original Message -----
From: <sunhelp-request at sunhelp.org>
To: <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 6:43 AM
Subject: SunHELP digest, Vol 1 #1507 - 15 msgs
> Send SunHELP mailing list submissions to
> sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sunhelp
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> sunhelp-request at sunhelp.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> sunhelp-admin at sunhelp.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of SunHELP digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: Guys, this is not good...for Sun (Gregory Leblanc)
> 2. Re: Guys, this is not good...for Sun (Dale Ghent)
> 3. Re: Guys, this is not good...for Sun (Gregory Leblanc)
> 4. Re: Xsession.wm file problem (Ravi Katti)
> 5. Re: Guys, this is not good...for Sun (Ravi Katti)
> 6. Re: Guys, this is not good...for Sun (Dale Ghent)
> 7. PRNGD problem (Assad Khan)
> 8. Re: PRNGD problem (Will Yardley)
> 9. Re: Re: PRNGD problem (Assad Khan)
> 10. Re: PRNGD problem (Will Yardley)
> 11. firewire on a U10 (Paul Mitcheson)
> 12. init command doesn't work (Shahreza, Shabnam)
> 13. RE: init command doesn't work (Lund, Dennis)
> 14. audioio.h for Sol. 2.8 (Michael Doyle)
> 15. full ufsdump & ufsrestore (Markham, Richard)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> Subject: Re: [SunHELP] Guys, this is not good...for Sun
> From: Gregory Leblanc <gleblanc at linuxweasel.com>
> To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> Date: 04 Feb 2002 10:12:15 -0800
> Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
> On Mon, 2002-02-04 at 05:51, Paul Mitcheson wrote:
> > I have just had so many problems with Linux in the past with setting up
> > hardware on Intel boxes. Also, the pkg format seems pretty good,
> > especially compared with rpms (dependency hell)
>
> Heh, the reason you don't have any dependancy problems with the solaris
> packaging format is that it's inordinately difficult to put dependancies
> into the native solaris package format.
> Greg
>
> --
> Portland, Oregon, USA.
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:27:38 -0500 (EST)
> From: Dale Ghent <daleg at elemental.org>
> To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: [SunHELP] Guys, this is not good...for Sun
> Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
> On 4 Feb 2002, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
>
> | Heh, the reason you don't have any dependancy problems with the solaris
> | packaging format is that it's inordinately difficult to put dependancies
> | into the native solaris package format.
>
> It is?
>
> When I roll a package, I make a file called 'depend' with the
> prerequisite package names one per line.
>
> not too difficult for me.
>
> /dale
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Subject: Re: [SunHELP] Guys, this is not good...for Sun
> From: Gregory Leblanc <gleblanc at linuxweasel.com>
> To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> Date: 04 Feb 2002 12:35:37 -0800
> Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
> On Mon, 2002-02-04 at 12:27, Dale Ghent wrote:
> > On 4 Feb 2002, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> >
> > | Heh, the reason you don't have any dependancy problems with the
solaris
> > | packaging format is that it's inordinately difficult to put
dependancies
> > | into the native solaris package format.
> >
> > It is?
> >
> > When I roll a package, I make a file called 'depend' with the
> > prerequisite package names one per line.
> >
> > not too difficult for me.
>
> Seems impossible for the guys who package sunfreeware.com, and the folks
> at sunireland.
> Greg
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> From: "Ravi Katti" <ravikatti at hotmail.com>
> To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: [SunHELP] Xsession.wm file problem
> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:45:06 +0000
> Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
> How are you setting things in .profile? Let us know. Its pretty simple and
> you are already doing it in xsession.wm.
> Also check your .dtprofile file and see for this string
> "DTSOURCEPROFILE=true".
>
> Thanks
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Michael Hansen" <mhansen at Landmarkcollege.org>
> Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> To: <SunHELP at sunhelp.org>
> Subject: [SunHELP] Xsession.wm file problem
> Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 03:23:31 -0500
>
> Ok, maybe I'm being dense here, I can't find
> any more FAQs to read. If this is a "dumb
> question", my apologies. This is my second
> try, if you get Deja Vue reading this.
>
> Given:
> Solaris 7/SPARC with wm2 run from
> /usr/dt/config/Xsession.wm
>
> I managed to get all my environment variables
> set up by putting all the "VARIABLE=..." and
> "export VARIABLE" stuff in my Xsession.wm file,
> but I would really prefer to set them from
> .profile or a shell script in the home directory.
> So far, all my attempts to do this have failed.
>
> I have a strong feeling that I am going about
> this the wrong way. Could someone point me
> in the right direction?
>
> I am currently the only user of this machine,
> but I want to give some other students accounts
> on it so we can collaborate on projects better.
> I would like to give them the ability to set
> their own environment variables, and still be
> able to use the wm2 window manager, which clearly
> offers a performance advantage over dtwm.
>
> (Also, since wm2 is unconfigurable without
> recompiling, one more potential distraction
> is eliminated. Since over half the students
> at my college have Attention Defficit Disorder,
> including myself, I think we will get much more
> work done if we can't zone out for half an hour
> fooling with the window manager configuration.)
>
> Thanks,
> -Mike
> _______________________________________________
> SunHELP maillist - SunHELP at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sunhelp
>
>
>
>
> Thanks & Regards
> Ravi
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> From: "Ravi Katti" <ravikatti at hotmail.com>
> To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: [SunHELP] Guys, this is not good...for Sun
> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 21:36:17 +0000
> Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
> Somehow I have had a bad experience with Linux. It is okay as long as you
> use Linux as DNS/Mail server or some kind of network box. My old sun SS5
was
> happily serving around 150 users with hell lot of NFS activity. But my
Linux
> on a dual Pentium CPU used to crash even 1/3 load of SS5.
> One of the developer asked me to upgrade gcc and I ended up upgrading the
> Linux OS itself, beacuse gcc required some libraries upgraded and to do
this
> i had to upgrade RPM and to do this ... this went on and ultimately
upgrade
> OS.
>
> I could be wrong too but things are so easy and stable on solaris.
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Anthony J. Gabrielson" <agabriel at home.tzo.org>
> Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: [SunHELP] Guys, this is not good...for Sun
> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:07:21 -0500 (EST)
>
> I will have a really unpopular view, here goes.
>
> I have been running linux for years, along with solaris, openbsd, and many
> more. My Sun machines running Solaris are only as stable as my intel
> machines running any other nix, including the linux 2.4 arch. The
> journaling filesystems are great. The support is even better. I sent
> out an email the other day looking for a bit of info on doing an ethernet
> driver, I didn't get any responses - I also called sun and they asked me
> why in the world I would ever want to do that. I like Solaris, even thou
> it is odd at points. Most of the other free nix's are at least just as
> good.
>
> I want anyone who disagrees with me at this point to ask themselves why
> sun should survive. I'm expecting to hear due to their robust servers or
> something to that effect. Do you run apache on that server? Which smtp
> server do you run? More than likely it will run just as well under other
> inx's. Also Linux can be locked down.
>
> Anyone have a legitimate answer to this? I'm not expecting to see much.
>
> Flame away!
> Thanks,
> Anthony
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:11:52 -0500 (EST)
> From: Dale Ghent <daleg at elemental.org>
> To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: [SunHELP] Guys, this is not good...for Sun
> Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Anthony J. Gabrielson wrote:
>
> | I sent out an email the other day looking for a bit of info on doing an
> | ethernet driver, I didn't get any responses - I also called sun and they
> | asked me why in the world I would ever want to do that. I like Solaris,
> | even thou it is odd at points. Most of the other free nix's are at
> | least just as good.
>
> For your driver question, this list is (quite obviously) populated with
> sysadmins with various degrees of Solaris experience, and driver
> *programming* questions would probably not gather a quick response :) But
> as for that, there's docs on http://docs.sun.com/ in the Solaris8
> /Developer section that answer that question.
>
> As for hardware support, I believe the Solaris/x86 is well-rounded in that
> area, but yeah... Sol/x86 does not support every p.o.s. hardware that
> comes out of Taiwan. I think it would not be prudent for a focused company
> such as Sun to persue the kind of hardware support that you see with Linux
> or FreeBSD. If you want to run Sol/x86, you tailor your hardware to suit
> it in this case.
>
> | I want anyone who disagrees with me at this point to ask themselves why
> | sun should survive. I'm expecting to hear due to their robust servers
or
> | something to that effect. Do you run apache on that server? Which smtp
> | server do you run? More than likely it will run just as well under
other
> | inx's. Also Linux can be locked down.
>
> Sure, Apache would and should run on Linux as well as it does on Solaris,
> and vice versa. But what happens when you get up into the high server
> load? My experience is that a 800Mhz pentium Linux box will fail to
> adequately service requests before an otherwise comperable 440Mhz Ultra
> does. And despite what Ellison says, Oracle on Solaris/sparc is alot more
> capable than it's Linux analog. Need 2GB of SGA? No problem.
>
> Now, not everyone should use Solaris for everything. Up to a point, Linux
> on x86 serves the capacity well. Beyond that, you're limitting yourself.
>
> The claim "Linux can be locked down" is a bit ambiguous, though. Out of
> the box, some linux distros can be alot more secure than a stock Solaris
> load. But that doesnt mean that a stock Solaris load can be brought to a
> comperable level with a little bit of effort (and scripting, if you're
> going to do it more than once! :)
>
> /dale
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> From: "Assad Khan" <assad at assad.dynup.net>
> To: <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:40:55 -0500
> Subject: [SunHELP] PRNGD problem
> Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
> Hi,
>
> I posted a question on how to run SSH in Solaris 8, well Thanks alot for
all
> the replies. I did install everything but there seems to be a slight
problem.
>
> first, after I do a
>
> /etc/init.d/openssh.server start
>
> I try connecting from other machines and it refuses the connection.
>
> and secondly PRNGD is being a b*tch, I followed the exact procedure
outlined
> in the PDF from sun, but it still gives me the following error when I try
to
> connect to other *nix boxes on my LAN.
>
> Couldn't connect to PRNGD socket "/var/spool/prngd/pool": Socket operation
on
> non-socket
> Entropy collection failed and entropy exhausted
>
> Can someone please guide me?
>
> Thanks Alot.
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:47:09 -0800
> From: Will Yardley <william+sun at hq.newdream.net>
> To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> Organization: New Dream Network
> Subject: [SunHELP] Re: PRNGD problem
> Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
> Assad Khan wrote:
> >
> > first, after I do a
> >
> > /etc/init.d/openssh.server start
> >
> > I try connecting from other machines and it refuses the connection.
>
> well it would be helpful if you gave some information....
>
> what do your system logs say when you start sshd?
>
> what's the output of (from another machine)
> telnet yourmachine 22
>
> can you ssh to the loopback interface?
>
> what's the output of ps -eaf | grep sshd
>
> > and secondly PRNGD is being a b*tch, I followed the exact procedure
> > outlined in the PDF from sun, but it still gives me the following
> > error when I try to connect to other *nix boxes on my LAN.
>
> > Couldn't connect to PRNGD socket "/var/spool/prngd/pool": Socket
operation on
> > non-socket
> > Entropy collection failed and entropy exhausted
>
> what's the output of 'ls -al /var/spool/prngd' ?
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> From: "Assad Khan" <assad at assad.dynup.net>
> To: <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
> Subject: Re: [SunHELP] Re: PRNGD problem
> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:17:55 -0500
> Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
> It says nothing, I did a cat on /var/log/syslog and there is some sendmail
> crap, but thats about it.
>
> and the output when I try connecting from another machine is:
> Trying 192.168.0.5...
> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
>
> nope, cannot ssh to 127.0.0.1 either. Same error as I posted in previous
> e-mail.
>
> the output of ps -eaf | grep sshd is nothing, i.e.
> bash-2.03# ps -eaf | grep sshd
> root 500 468 0 19:14:13 pts/5 0:00 grep sshd
> bash-2.03#
>
> and the output of ls -la /var/spool/prngd is :
> bash-2.03# ls -al /var/spool/prngd/
> total 4
> drwxr-xr-x 2 root sys 512 Feb 4 18:40 .
> drwxr-xr-x 12 root bin 512 Feb 4 17:44 ..
>
> And by the way, there is nothing inside the /etc/init.d/openssh.server
file
> either.
> There seems to be nothing running. And I also rebooted after I install all
> the stuff just like the PDF said.
> Thanks.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Yardley <william+sun at hq.newdream.net>
> To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
> Date: Monday, February 04, 2002 7:51 PM
> Subject: [SunHELP] Re: PRNGD problem
>
>
> >Assad Khan wrote:
> >>
> >> first, after I do a
> >>
> >> /etc/init.d/openssh.server start
> >>
> >> I try connecting from other machines and it refuses the connection.
> >
> >well it would be helpful if you gave some information....
> >
> >what do your system logs say when you start sshd?
> >
> >what's the output of (from another machine)
> >telnet yourmachine 22
> >
> >can you ssh to the loopback interface?
> >
> >what's the output of ps -eaf | grep sshd
> >
> >> and secondly PRNGD is being a b*tch, I followed the exact procedure
> >> outlined in the PDF from sun, but it still gives me the following
> >> error when I try to connect to other *nix boxes on my LAN.
> >
> >> Couldn't connect to PRNGD socket "/var/spool/prngd/pool": Socket
> operation on
> >> non-socket
> >> Entropy collection failed and entropy exhausted
> >
> >what's the output of 'ls -al /var/spool/prngd' ?
> >_______________________________________________
> >SunHELP maillist - SunHELP at sunhelp.org
> >http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sunhelp
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:21:08 -0800
> From: Will Yardley <william+sun at hq.newdream.net>
> To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> Organization: New Dream Network
> Subject: [SunHELP] Re: PRNGD problem
> Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
> Assad Khan wrote:
> >
> > And by the way, there is nothing inside the /etc/init.d/openssh.server
> > file either.
>
> there's NOTHING inside it?
>
> that would probably be your problem then, no?
>
> try re-downloading it if it's really empty.
>
> is the current version of openssh on the machine installed from the
> freeware package or from source?
>
> w
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 10:46:41 +0000
> From: Paul Mitcheson <pmitcheson at iee.org>
> To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> Subject: [SunHELP] firewire on a U10
> Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
> Dear all,
>
> You may recall that a week or so ago I asked about adding usb support to
> an Ultra 10, and that I had sucess with a standard ohci controller. (In
> my case the belkin one)
>
> This is a bit of a follow up question - does anyone have any experience
> with adding a firewire card? With usb I could afford to buy a card for
> test purposes, but of course firewire is relatively expensive.
>
> Thsnks,
>
> Paul
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------
> .---.
> / \
> \. at -@./ Paul Mitcheson
> /`\_/`\ Control and Power Research Group
> // _ \\ Imperial College London
> | \ )|_ mailto:pmitcheson at iee.org
> /`\_`> <_/ \ http://www.mitcheson.demon.co.uk/paul
> \__/'---'\__/
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> From: "Shahreza, Shabnam" <Shabnam.Shahreza at PSIR.ie>
> To: "'sunhelp at sunhelp.org'" <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:52:44 -0000
> Subject: [SunHELP] init command doesn't work
> Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
> Who does know why 'init' command doesn't work sometimes? I use Solaris
> 7-11/99 SPARC edition and I try to do 'init 0' but it does nothing!!!
>
> -- Sbnm
>
>
> ********************************************************************
> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they
> are addressed. If you have received this email in error please
> notify us immediately at MailManager at psir.ie and delete this E-mail
> from your system. Thank you.
> It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or
> accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the
> communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept
> any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise
> through the use of this medium.
> This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept
> for the presence of known computer viruses.
> ********************************************************************
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> From: "Lund, Dennis" <Dennis.Lund at sciatl.com>
> To: "'sunhelp at sunhelp.org'" <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
> Subject: RE: [SunHELP] init command doesn't work
> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 08:10:21 -0500
> Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
> This normally happens because it has run into an rc#.d script that does
not
> complete. Do a ps -ef and look for rc#.d processes that have not
finished.
> Kill the process and the init process should continue.
>
> Dennis Lund
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shahreza, Shabnam [mailto:Shabnam.Shahreza at PSIR.ie]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 5:53 AM
> To: 'sunhelp at sunhelp.org'
> Subject: [SunHELP] init command doesn't work
>
>
> Who does know why 'init' command doesn't work sometimes? I use Solaris
> 7-11/99 SPARC edition and I try to do 'init 0' but it does nothing!!!
>
> -- Sbnm
>
>
> ********************************************************************
> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they
> are addressed. If you have received this email in error please
> notify us immediately at MailManager at psir.ie and delete this E-mail
> from your system. Thank you.
> It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or
> accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the
> communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept
> any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise
> through the use of this medium.
> This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept
> for the presence of known computer viruses.
> ********************************************************************
> _______________________________________________
> SunHELP maillist - SunHELP at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sunhelp
>
>
> <html>
> <body>
> <font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family: Times New Roman; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;
mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">
> - - - - - - - Appended by Scientific-Atlanta, Inc. - - - - - - -
> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Times New Roman;
> mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New
Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:
> EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA"></span><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:Times New Roman;
mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language:
AR-SA">This e-mail and any attachments may contain information which is
confidential, proprietary, privileged or otherwise protected by law. The
information is solely intended for the named addressee (or a person
responsible for delivering it to the addressee). If you are not the intended
recipient of this message, you are not authorized to read, print, retain,
copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. If you have received
this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail
and delete it from your computer.</span></font></p>
> </body>
> </html>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 08:35:02 -0500 (EST)
> From: Michael Doyle <gmike at cstone.net>
> To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> Subject: [SunHELP] audioio.h for Sol. 2.8
> Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
> Hi all,
>
> What needs rescuing seems to be the file 'audioio.h', which seemingly
> wasn't installed in this machine (didn't install the OS myself; please no
> castigation - I've spent lots of time rescuing other machines: 2 NeXTs
[cube &
> slab], a SS IPC, and an SGI I2). What package contains this header file,
and
> on which Sol. 2.8 CD is it? I assume I just use pkgadd to install it?
>
> In what format is Vol. 1 of the 2.8 media? I see nothing but
> '.SUNW-boot-redirect' when I mount the CD.... So how does one se
> arch for software packages on it?
>
> This header is needed in compiling the audio_sun.c file of the mpg123 MP3
> player. Yup, I don't presently have a program that decodes an MP3, audio
not
> having been really high on the list of things to learn, but I've got a
little
> bit of time now. What do y'all prefer for decoding, encoding, and playing
> MP3's under Sol. 2.8?
>
> Michael
> Charlottesville, VA
>
> ----------------------------------
> E-Mail: Michael Doyle <gmike at cstone.net>
> Date: 05-Feb-02
> Time: 08:15:25
>
> This message was sent by XFMail
> from Michael's Sun SPARCstation 20MP
> ----------------------------------
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 15
> From: "Markham, Richard" <RMarkham at hafeleamericas.com>
> To: "Sunhelp (E-mail)" <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:40:55 -0500
> Subject: [SunHELP] full ufsdump & ufsrestore
> Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
> Possible Scenario:
> ufsdump was ran to dump each UFS filesystem seperately
> to a single tape.
> ((ie. ufsdump 0f /dev/rmt/0cn $FS) where $FS was (each UFS mount point))
>
>
> When restoring, If I were to change pwd to / and I run:
> ufsrestore -rf /dev/rmt/0cn /
> Would it restore all filesystems be it that the original fs
> structure was still in tact? Or would I have to individually
> run ufsrestore per filesystem (mount point) ?
>
>
> Thanks for info as I do not have a machine to test such a restore on.
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> _______________________________________________
> SunHELP maillist - SunHELP at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sunhelp
>
>
> End of SunHELP Digest
More information about the SunHELP
mailing list