[rescue] rescue Digest, Vol 163, Issue 1 - SunCD Repair

Gary Sloane gksloane at hotmail.com
Thu Jun 2 14:50:43 CDT 2016 

Don't bother with repair, it's a throw-away. Just go on eBay, search for Sun
CDROM. Any of the Sun-branded Toshiba's are great (I like the XM-5701 and it's
ilk). 50-pin SCSI like most of the other Sun CD and DVD drives. There are
plenty available.

Be aware that later Sun systems used EIDE....

Gary

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>    1. SunCD Repair (Eddie Cottongim)
>    2. Re: SunCD Repair (Doug McIntyre)
>    3. Re: SunCD Repair (Carl R. Friend)
>    4. Re: SunCD Repair (Peter Stokes)
>    5. Sun compatible CDROMS [derail of Re:  SunCD Repair]
>       (pakenned-list at pobox.com)
>    6. Re: SunCD Repair (CLIFFORD HAIGHT)
>    7. Re: SunCD Repair (r.stricklin)
>    8. Re: SunCD Repair (J. Alexander Jacocks)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 23:27:56 -0400
> From: Eddie Cottongim <jcotton at intergate.net>
> To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> Subject: [rescue] SunCD Repair
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> Are there any service manuals, repair ideas etc available for the Sony
> CDU-8012? I've got one that responds to probe-scsi, but "test cdrom"
> gives back a "-1" failure (not much help), and is dead otherwise. It
> spins the CD briefly, then stops. No obvious internal problems after
> partial disassembly.
>
> Failing that, will a SS 10 tolerate a SCSI DVD?  The HP A5220-67003
> seems promising - appears to have the right SCSI-2 interface,  has a 512
> sector jumper, the only issue may be the SCSI connector on it looks like
> a standard SCSI fine pitch, whereas the Sony has a 0.1" header, so the
> cables in the external box may need some rethinking.
>
> Thanks!
> Eddie
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 16:19:02 -0500
> From: Doug McIntyre <merlyn at geeks.org>
> To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> Subject: Re: [rescue] SunCD Repair
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> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 11:27:56PM -0400, Eddie Cottongim wrote:
> > Are there any service manuals, repair ideas etc available for the Sony
> > CDU-8012? I've got one that responds to probe-scsi, but "test cdrom"
> > gives back a "-1" failure (not much help), and is dead otherwise. It
> > spins the CD briefly, then stops. No obvious internal problems after
> > partial disassembly.
>
> I always treated CD-ROM drives as disposable once failed, I'm sure
> that is what the makers intended.
>
> > Failing that, will a SS 10 tolerate a SCSI DVD?  The HP A5220-67003
> > seems promising - appears to have the right SCSI-2 interface,  has a 512
> > sector jumper, the only issue may be the SCSI connector on it looks like
> > a standard SCSI fine pitch, whereas the Sony has a 0.1" header, so the
> > cables in the external box may need some rethinking.
>
> But mainly answering this point, that should be no problem. I had a
> Pioneer SCSI DVD-ROM drive in an external SCSI case that I used many
> times with many generations of SPARC servers. I don't remember ever
> going back to the SS10 with it, but would imagine it would work.
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 17:41:53 -0400
> From: "Carl R. Friend" <crfriend at rcn.com>
> To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> Subject: Re: [rescue] SunCD Repair
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> On 06/01/2016 05:19 PM, Doug McIntyre wrote:
> >
> > I always treated CD-ROM drives as disposable once failed, I'm sure
> > that is what the makers intended.
>
>     I confess I tend to do the same thing.  The normal construction
> technique does not lend itself to repair, and likely was fully
> intended to be "disposable".
>
>     Adapters are made that can take the fine pitch of one connector
> and mate it to the old-style 0.1" pitch connectors.  I'm not sure
> *where* they can be had, but I've got a couple of 68-pin SCSI-2
> to 50-pin SCSI-1 adapters around here, and they're worth their weight
> in gold.
>
>     Cheers!
> --
> +------------------------------------------------+---------------------+
> | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin)            | Boylston            |
> | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast            | Massachusetts, USA  |
> | mailto:crfriend at rcn.com                        +---------------------+
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 22:27:40 +0100
> From: Peter Stokes <peter at ashlyn.co.uk>
> To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> Subject: Re: [rescue] SunCD Repair
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> Hi Eddie
>
> In general the DVDs with 512 sector jumper will work with most Sun systems
in
> my experience. All the Sun CDs have a standard SCSI 50 pin interface, so
not
> sure what your issue was with it?
>
> Peter
>
> > On 29 May 2016, at 04:27, Eddie Cottongim <jcotton at intergate.net> wrote:
> >
> > Are there any service manuals, repair ideas etc available for the Sony
> CDU-8012? I've got one that responds to probe-scsi, but "test cdrom" gives
> back a "-1" failure (not much help), and is dead otherwise. It spins the CD
> briefly, then stops. No obvious internal problems after partial
disassembly.
> >
> > Failing that, will a SS 10 tolerate a SCSI DVD?  The HP A5220-67003 seems
> promising - appears to have the right SCSI-2 interface,  has a 512 sector
> jumper, the only issue may be the SCSI connector on it looks like a
standard
> SCSI fine pitch, whereas the Sony has a 0.1" header, so the cables in the
> external box may need some rethinking.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Eddie
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 18:43:28 -0400
> From: pakenned-list at pobox.com
> To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> Subject: [rescue] Sun compatible CDROMS [derail of Re:  SunCD Repair]
> Message-ID: <20160601224328.GG11429 at SDF.ORG>
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> Hi everyone,
>
> A minor derailment of this thread, but I should be offering a couple of
> old CDROM drives to the list that I used with old Sun equipment (Sun 1
> and IPX, I believe).
>
> I just moved (to Chicago, IL) so they are still in boxes somewhere.  I
> brought them with me thinking that I might be able to get some takers on
> this list for them.
>
> Anyway, just a heads-up for now...
>
> Cheers,
> Paul
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 15:59:55 -0700
> From: CLIFFORD HAIGHT <klemish at hotmail.com>
> To: Peter Stokes <rescue at sunhelp.org>, The Rescue List
> 	<rescue at sunhelp.org>
> Subject: Re: [rescue] SunCD Repair
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> I can't recall any internal scsi drives that use anything but 50pin.   Also
to
> add if you are using sunos you'll need to make modification to the driver
for
> it work.   In a pinch I have used 440(?) enclosures for drives.  I mention
> this because it could be also the enclosure. bNot necessarily the drive
> below.   I believe it kick back this error when it tries to read I'd and
> fails.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> From: Peter Stokes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 3:28 PM
> To: The Rescue List
> Reply To: The Rescue List
> Subject: Re: [rescue] SunCD Repair
>
>
> Hi Eddie
>
> In general the DVDs with 512 sector jumper will work with most Sun systems
in
> my experience. All the Sun CDs have a standard SCSI 50 pin interface, so
not
> sure what your issue was with it?
>
> Peter
>
> > On 29 May 2016, at 04:27, Eddie Cottongim <jcotton at intergate.net> wrote:
> >
> > Are there any service manuals, repair ideas etc available for the Sony
> CDU-8012? I've got one that responds to probe-scsi, but "test cdrom" gives
> back a "-1" failure (not much help), and is dead otherwise. It spins the CD
> briefly, then stops. No obvious internal problems after partial
disassembly.
> >
> > Failing that, will a SS 10 tolerate a SCSI DVD?  The HP A5220-67003 seems
> promising - appears to have the right SCSI-2 interface,  has a 512 sector
> jumper, the only issue may be the SCSI connector on it looks like a
standard
> SCSI fine pitch, whereas the Sony has a 0.1" header, so the cables in the
> external box may need some rethinking.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Eddie
> >
> > --
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 20:45:26 -0700
> From: "r.stricklin" <bear at typewritten.org>
> To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> Subject: Re: [rescue] SunCD Repair
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> On May 28, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Eddie Cottongim wrote:
>
> > Are there any service manuals, repair ideas etc available for the Sony
> CDU-8012? I've got one that responds to probe-scsi, but "test cdrom" gives
> back a "-1" failure (not much help), and is dead otherwise. It spins the CD
> briefly, then stops. No obvious internal problems after partial
disassembly.
>
> The "obvious problem" with all these drives is failed electrolytics. One of
> the ones that's come across my bench also had a dusty optical path. Chances
> are good your drive is eminently repairable.
>
> ok
> bear.
>
> --
> until further notice
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 09:52:31 -0400
> From: "J. Alexander Jacocks" <jjacocks at gmail.com>
> To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> Subject: Re: [rescue] SunCD Repair
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> As a side-note, I've found that Sony SCSI CD-ROM drives from the late 90s
> are very reliably UNIX-bootable, including for my Suns.  I've had a 24x
> drive, mounted in a Unipack, for many years, and it has served me well.
>
> - Alex
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 11:45 PM, r.stricklin <bear at typewritten.org> wrote:
>
> > On May 28, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Eddie Cottongim wrote:
> >
> > > Are there any service manuals, repair ideas etc available for the Sony
> > CDU-8012? I've got one that responds to probe-scsi, but "test cdrom"
gives
> > back a "-1" failure (not much help), and is dead otherwise. It spins the
CD
> > briefly, then stops. No obvious internal problems after partial
> > disassembly.
> >
> > The "obvious problem" with all these drives is failed electrolytics. One
of
> > the ones that's come across my bench also had a dusty optical path.
Chances
> > are good your drive is eminently repairable.
> >
> > ok
> > bear.
> >
> > --
> > until further notice
> > _______________________________________________
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