[rescue] rescue Digest, Vol 134, Issue 14
chase rayfield
cusbrar2 at yahoo.com
Wed Jan 15 16:59:29 CST 2014
That is odd as Allen-Bradley phased itself out of electronics production. Is
that perphaps very old stock or did they get back into the business? Pretty
sure they still make PLCs though.
The following document lists their phase
out dates and recommended replacements.
http://www.ab.com/support/abdrives/files/electronicsdiv.pdf
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Trying to rescue a
Sun Ultra 45 (Cory Smelosky)
2. Re: rescue Digest, Vol 134, Issue 13 (Fred)
3. Re: rescue Digest, Vol 134, Issue 13 (Scott Newell)
4. Re: rescue
Digest, Vol 134, Issue 13 (Lionel Peterson)
5. Re: rescue Digest, Vol 134,
Issue 13 (Cory Smelosky)
6. anyone got WorkShop Compilers 5.0 ??
(simon at livve4u.com)
7. Re: rescue Digest, Vol 134, Issue 13 (Jochen Kunz)
8. Re: rescue Digest, Vol 134, Issue 13 (Mouse)
9. SUN Monitors? (was Re:
rescue Digest, Vol 134, Issue 13)
(Cory Smelosky)
10. Re: SUN
Monitors? (was Re: rescue Digest, Vol 134, Issue
13) (Lionel Peterson)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 13:07:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Cory Smelosky
<b4 at gewt.net>
To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Subject: Re: [rescue]
Trying to rescue a Sun Ultra 45
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2014, Ron
Wickersham wrote:
>>
>> And here I am with 50 year old caps that seem to
still work fine...
>>
>> The carbon composition resistors on the other hand
however...
>
> well, jsut have to chime in with the reliablity of the
Allen-Bradley
> hot-moulded carbon comp resistor process which are some of the
most
> reliable components ever manufactured...handle momentary overloads and
> for things link plate resistors where they outlast wirewound.
>
Nice! I
love high-reliability components.
> -ron
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 13:32:10
-0400 (EDT)
From: Fred <FRED at MISER.MISERNET.NET>
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [rescue] rescue Digest, Vol 134, Issue 13
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>Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 03:23:40 -0500 (EST)
>From: Mouse
<mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG>
>Subject: Re: [rescue] Trying to rescue a Sun
Ultra 45
>> Interesting story, not heard of it before, have seen a few mobos
with
>> blown caps (tants?) which did not impact the running of the system.
>You're lucky they didn't. I have fixed three (out of three) dead
>flat-screen displays by opening them up, noting that caps in the power
>supply portion of the circuit have bulging tops, and replacing them. I
>am
not in a position to comment either way on the "industrial espionage
>gone
wrong" theory except to note that what I've seen is entirely
[chop, discussion
re: caps and lcd's]
Not to pull an AOL and say "Me too!", but ...
Me too!
Seriously though, about a couple of years ago I was doing work for a customer
and determined their LCD display was faulty. I had recently discovered that
they (LCD's) too suffer from the bad cap problem, and with the customer's
permission "disposed" of the LCD to my trunk. Took it home, disassembled, and
lo and behold - domed cap city. $10 later for the best hi temp low esr caps
I could find of the same rating, and a couple hours of removing old,
resoldering new while rockin' to some music, I had a working LCD. I don't do
soldering for a living either, I'm more of a tech generalist. You don't want
me taking your object apart because there is a good chance I won't get it back
together. Everyone has their fortes.
Since then I've acquired LCD's this way
to the tune of 1-2 every six months.
I have another in the basement currently
waiting to be recapped next time I
have a spare hour or two. I've got two
17"'s on my desk for dual display, my
wife received an upgrade to her 15", and
I really don't know what to do with
the others - I may see if I can donate
them to the local church or other
organization that are still using small LCDs
or CRTs. To me, it's just fun to
fix them.
I also agree with the other
poster about waste. If my time was worth $0,
they'd be cheap fixes. ... but
when you can get replacements for $70-$120
depending on model, it's hard to
make any money repairing them unless you
could do serious volume. (note that
making money is NOT the primary point I
was/am trying to make).
Plus,
"planned obsolesence" by the manufacturers and all that.
It even hits home a
little more, as my vintage 1968 natural gas in wall oven
most likely needs a
thermostat. Thermostats for these models are unobtainium,
which means going
down the rabbit hole of removing, finding, and replacing the
oven to the tune
of in excess $2500+ if all goes well and a proper dimension
oven can be found
However, I've found a company that will rebuild the
thermostats, saving me
quite a bit of money. Turns a $2500+ project into a
$300-$500 project, which
is a win in my book.
Perhaps I should close with "They don't make 'em like
they used to!" ?
Fred
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Message: 3
Date:
Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:53:50 -0600
From: Scott Newell <newell+rescue at n5tnl.com>
To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Subject: Re: [rescue] rescue Digest,
Vol 134, Issue 13
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At 11:32 AM
1/15/2014, Fred wrote:
>Seriously though, about a couple of years ago I was
doing work for a customer
>and determined their LCD display was faulty. I had
recently discovered that
>they (LCD's) too suffer from the bad cap problem,
and with the customer's
I too recently repaired a few. Replacing caps wasn't
enough for one
of them, so we just scrapped it out. I was kicking myself once
I saw
(on hackaday?) that someone had removed the entire CCFL backlight and
diffuser and converted a monitor to a see-through configuration. That
looked
nifty.
--
newell
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 15
Jan 2014 14:04:09 -0500
From: Lionel Peterson <lionel4287 at gmail.com>
To: The
Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Subject: Re: [rescue] rescue Digest, Vol 134,
Issue 13
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I recently picked up a couple old
Dell 17" flat panels FP1702 (IIRC) for
$20/ea that had a very interesting
feature - the display swiveled 90 degrees.
I have been doing a lot of
eBook/PDF reading while working on my main desktop,
and that display rotated
90 degrees makes a perfect full-page display.
When I worked in a call center
with techs that would look at long code/trace
displays they used to turn their
second 21" widescreen display sideways to see
a huge run of code/trace info. A
1920x1080 display becomes a 1080x1920
display, showing a two page 'run'
handily.
I always wondered why more people don't turn their displays
sideways...
Lionel
> On Jan 15, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Fred
<FRED at MISER.MISERNET.NET> wrote:
>
> I've got two 17"'s on my desk for dual
display
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014
14:07:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net>
To: The Rescue List
<rescue at sunhelp.org>
Subject: Re: [rescue] rescue Digest, Vol 134, Issue 13
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2014, Lionel
Peterson wrote:
> I recently picked up a couple old Dell 17" flat panels
FP1702 (IIRC) for
> $20/ea that had a very interesting feature - the display
swiveled 90 degrees.
> I have been doing a lot of eBook/PDF reading while
working on my main desktop,
> and that display rotated 90 degrees makes a
perfect full-page display.
>
> When I worked in a call center with techs that
would look at long code/trace
> displays they used to turn their second 21"
widescreen display sideways to see
> a huge run of code/trace info. A
1920x1080 display becomes a 1080x1920
> display, showing a two page 'run'
handily.
>
> I always wondered why more people don't turn their displays
sideways...
>
Mine doesn't automatically rotate. :(
I mean...I can MAKE it
rotate...
> Lionel
>
>> On Jan 15, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Fred
<FRED at MISER.MISERNET.NET> wrote:
>>
>> I've got two 17"'s on my desk for dual
display
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:12:29
-0000
From: <simon at livve4u.com>
To: "recure" <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Subject:
[rescue] anyone got WorkShop Compilers 5.0 ??
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Am looking for a copy of Sun WorkShop Compilers 5.0 for
sparc and x86 if
possible, thanks a lot
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of type image/png which had a name of wlEmoticon-smile[1].png]
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 20:59:35
+0100
From: Jochen Kunz <jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de>
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [rescue] rescue Digest, Vol 134, Issue 13
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Am 15.01.14 20:04, schrieb Lionel Peterson:
> I always
wondered why more people don't turn their displays sideways...
At work I have
two 24" LCDs with 1920x1200 pixels. One horizontal, i.e.
1920x1200, one
vertival, i.e. 1200x1920. Very convenient for coding. One
display for long
lines and one for many lines. :-)
--
tsch|_,
Jochen
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:40:12
-0500 (EST)
From: Mouse <mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG>
To: The Rescue List
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Subject: Re: [rescue] rescue Digest, Vol 134, Issue 13
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>> I always wondered why more people don't
turn their displays
>> sideways...
> At work I have two 24" LCDs with
1920x1200 pixels. [...]
I tried running 1080x1920 instead of 1920x1080, but
it meant I had to
put the display on a peecee. This was a problem because I
am rather
particular about keyboards; I really like Sun type 3. So my main
desktop machine is a SPARCstation 20, on which the X server does not
know how
to rotate the display. I tried using a peecee instead, but,
while it's fairly
easy to put a Sun keyboard on a serial port (one of
the things I like about
them is they don't do that bizarre
one-wire-both-ways thing peecee keybards
do), the peecee X server I had
at ready hand doesn't know how to do anything
useful with Sun keyboards
on serial ports. I tried to hack support in, and
got it sort-of
working, but autorepeat didn't work, and I didn't find
1080x1920 enough
nicer than 1920x1080 to be worth tolerating that.
Perhaps
someday I'll look for a screen that can present itself to the
host as a
portrait-mode display, rather than requiring the host to do
the rotation. I
don't really expect to find one, though.
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:51:52
-0500 (EST)
From: Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net>
To: The Rescue List
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Subject: [rescue] SUN Monitors? (was Re: rescue Digest,
Vol 134,
Issue 13)
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2014, Mouse wrote:
>>> I always wondered why more people don't turn their displays
>>>
sideways...
>> At work I have two 24" LCDs with 1920x1200 pixels. [...]
>
> I
tried running 1080x1920 instead of 1920x1080, but it meant I had to
> put the
display on a peecee. This was a problem because I am rather
> particular
about keyboards; I really like Sun type 3. So my main
> desktop machine is a
SPARCstation 20, on which the X server does not
You've reminded me of the
number of spare Sun workstations I have. Anyone
have some spare Sun or
multisync monitors?
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
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Message:
10
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:59:13 -0500
From: Lionel Peterson
<lionel4287 at gmail.com>
To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Subject: Re:
[rescue] SUN Monitors? (was Re: rescue Digest, Vol 134,
Issue 13)
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Yes - in NJ
Lionel
> On Jan 15, 2014, at 3:51
PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 15 Jan 2014, Mouse wrote:
>
>>>> I always wondered why more people don't turn their displays
>>>>
sideways...
>>> At work I have two 24" LCDs with 1920x1200 pixels. [...]
>>
>> I tried running 1080x1920 instead of 1920x1080, but it meant I had to
>>
put the display on a peecee. This was a problem because I am rather
>>
particular about keyboards; I really like Sun type 3. So my main
>> desktop
machine is a SPARCstation 20, on which the X server does not
>
> You've
reminded me of the number of spare Sun workstations I have. Anyone
have some
spare Sun or multisync monitors?
>
> --
> Cory Smelosky
> http://gewt.net
Personal stuff
> http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
>
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