[rescue] SunStudio 10 - Free ?!?!

[Francois Dion]

On 6/16/05, Francois Dion <francois.dion at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/15/05, Patrick Giagnocavo <patrick at mail.zill.net> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 04:51:21PM -0400, Francois Dion wrote:
> > > On 6/14/05, Patrick Giagnocavo <patrick at mail.zill.net> wrote:
> > > > Apparently you can get 1 copy of Sun Studio 10 for free:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/sun_studio_tools/
> > >
> > > You'll get the license in email. It is for OpenSolaris. I dont think
> > > you can install on Sol 10 according to the license.
> >
> > I cannot find a place where it says that.  The link to the Install and
> > Setup Guide lists "System Requirements" as Solaris 8, 9 or 10 for x86
> > or SPARC.
>
> Good point. I'm not a lawyer, and between the SLA and entitlement, the
> language is fairly vague. However, the reason I was saying that is
> this:
>
> > >From the License:
> >
> > Permitted Use: Provided that You are a participant of the OpenSolaris
> > community,
>
> This is the sticky point. Depends on what it means to be a
> "participant of the OpenSolaris community". Right now, OpenSolaris
> requires Sun Studio to compile. You can install it on one machine
> (license is 1 user, 1 copy, non transferable). So once it's installed
> on your OpenSolaris box, you've used the license. Or can you be a
> participant in the OpenSolaris community simply by installing
> OpenSolaris base (aka Nevada aka Solaris Express b16) on a machine? Or
> even just by downloading the 4 ISOs?
>
> > You may use the software for Research and Instructional,
> > Individual, and Commercial Use to design, develop, test, or otherwise
> > engineer software.
>
> Also, according to the SLA, under section 3, Permitted Use:
> If you dont fit b,c,d or e, you are (a) evaluation, 90 days
> (b), (c),(d) and (e), as I read it all mention only for internal use.
>
> That raises more questions:
> Since you cant release externally any binaries made with this, does
> this mean you can only contribute to opensolaris by buying a license?
>
> Or can you contribute source that was developped with this tool?
>
> To release a distro based on opensolaris, do you need the full
> commercial sun studio 10?
>
> I unfortunately dont have any answers. I'll be asking clarifications
> to my Sun rep, tough.
>
> Francois
>

Apparently I was misreading the license (told ya, i'm not a lawyer).
Keith @ Sun has posted this reply to my questions on opensolaris.org,
and a followup by Tom Gryder (Sun Studio product line manager)
clarified this too:


> Can you install this on Sol 10 3/05 or does it have to be on b16?

You can install the compilers on S10, and building OpenSolaris on S10
should work for the moment. However, in the very near future a change
will be made to the source which will require build 14 or newer on all
ON build machines, and if you later wish to build with gcc you will
need at least build 16 on your build machine. Further changes in the
future may require even more recent build machine bits though we do
try to minimise that. For these reasons we strongly recommend
building on b16 or newer.

> Also, in the SLA, under section 3, "Permitted Use", it mentions
> "internally" on all the types of entitlements.
>
> Since you cant release externally any binaries made with this, does
> this mean you can only contribute to opensolaris by buying a
> license? Or can you contribute source that was developped with this
> tool? In short, could you ever build a distro that is installable
> (bin) with this compiler?

I believe you're misinterpreting the "internally" clause. It's
intended to mean that you can't for example sell access to the
compilers as an ASP; it doesn't imply a royalty or restriction on the
binaries you create. I've forwarding this to the Studio people who
can correct me if wrong and perhaps comment further.

--
Keith M Wesolowski "Sir, we're surrounded!"
Solaris Kernel Team "Excellent; we can attack in any direction!"

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That is correct. One can't download the software and go sell it
either. But it doesn't imply a royalty or restriction on the binaries
you create- is correct.

 tgryder






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I hope I didn't confuse people too much! :)


Francois