[rescue] Re: rescue Digest, Vol 10, Issue 81
J. Alexander Jacocks
jjacocks at mac.com
Wed Sep 24 17:12:00 CDT 2003
How 'bout a pair of 300's?
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> 1. Re: Advice on Octanes (Jochen Kunz)
> 2. Re: Advice on Octanes (Jochen Kunz)
> 3. RE: Advice on Octanes (Gavin Hubbard)
> 4. Re: Hacking Linux since..... (Andrew Weiss)
> 5. Re: Fddi for Indigo2 questions (Jochen Kunz)
> 6. Re: Advice on Octanes (Jochen Kunz)
> 7. Re: Advice on Octanes (Jochen Kunz)
> 8. Iris 4D/310 keyboard connector (&huge IRIX stash) (Walter Belgers)
> 9. Anyone with E450's? (James)
> 10. Re: Advice on Octanes (Joshua D. Boyd)
> 11. RE: Re: SGI Galileo Video (Corda Albert J DLVA)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:21:40 +0200
> From: Jochen Kunz <jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de>
> Subject: Re: [rescue] Advice on Octanes
> To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> Message-ID: <20030924192140.S60376 at MissSophie.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de>
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> On 2003.09.24 12:24 Kevin wrote:
>
> > Anyone know what SGI uses to compile their freeware stuff?
> http://freeware.sgi.com/
> says:
> "Packages built after May 2001 are compiled with the MIPSpro 7.3
> compilers."
>
> You may have a look at this also:
> http://freeware.sgi.com/howto.html
> "Notes on building Open Source software on IRIX"
> In particular
> http://freeware.sgi.com/howto.html#a7
> --
>
>
> tsch|_,
> Jochen
>
> Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:21:46 +0200
> From: Jochen Kunz <jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de>
> Subject: Re: [rescue] Advice on Octanes
> To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
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> On 2003.09.24 15:51 Joshua D. Boyd wrote:
>
> > Nope. SE + SE or SI + SI are the proper ways to go. I've heard of
> > people doing SI+SSI or SE+SSE, but it isn't officially supported.
> > There could be heat issues if you try it.
> Hmmm. I have to look
>
> >
> > > How do I get FDDI? It looks like there is no XIO FDDI Option.
> > > So I need a PCI card cage and a SGI PCI FDDI card.
> > > Does anybody know if I really need the very special SGI PCI FDDI
> > card,
> > > or is the SGI PCI FDDI card some generic card that SGI OEMed?
> > > (SysKonnect, Interphase, ...)
> >
> > If you get a card that is the same card as what SGI OEMed, you will
> > still probably need to hack the driver.
> >
> > On ebay, the cost of SGI specific FDDI cards seems to me that they are
> > only about twice what similar cards would cost for other platforms.
> > However, for only $50-$60, I'd be tempted to bite the bullet and just
> > pay the extra cash rather than screw with the drivers.
> > _______________________________________________
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> --
>
>
> tsch|_,
> Jochen
>
> Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:44:12 +1200
> From: Gavin Hubbard <ghub005 at xtra.co.nz>
> Subject: [rescue] RE: Advice on Octanes
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
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> > > Seams like Joshua has a different opineon. I found a PDF from SGI that
> > > described dual head setups, but only with SI/SSI/MXI. No word about
> > > SE/SSE/MXE.
> > > I think I will just try when I get the machine on friday.
> >
> > In my notes I have that SI + SI, SSI + SI, MXI + SI and SE + SE,
> > SSE + SE, MXE + SE work (and are considered "safe"). No info about
> > mixing I-/E-style boards, so I'm also quite curious. :)
> >
> >
> > Gerhard
>
>
> Mixing I-/E- boards is quite safe. The real problems occur when you put
two
> full-height (i.e. MX* or SS*) boards, or three half height (i.e. S*)
boards,
> onto the XIO carrier.
>
> Speaking of thermal instability - I heard a great Octane story the other
> day. Apparently a university in NZ had an Octane that used to get really
> unstable for a couple of days each year. A technician noticed that the
> instability seemed to occur around the same dates, so he decided to
> investigate further. It turned out that approximately every six months,
the
> sun was shining across a computer lab and directly into the bottom vents
of
> the system. Some simple experimentation showed that the extra heating from
> the sun's rays was enough to make the Octane completely unstable.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gavin
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:47:05 -0400
> From: Andrew Weiss <ajwdsp at cloud9.net>
> Subject: Re: [rescue] Hacking Linux since.....
> To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> Message-ID: <7E5B4AF5-EEBF-11D7-BA62-00306578F31E at cloud9.net>
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> I probably signed up a long time ago, but have no clue what e-mail I
> would have used.
>
> I started with Linux 1.2.13 in 1995. Slackware 3.0
>
> Andrew
>
> On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 06:15 AM, Bjorn Ramqvist wrote:
>
> > Mike Nicewonger wrote:
> >>
> >> I am almost ashamed to admit it. I am User# 90290 :) Sept. '98
> >
> > Ok, heh. #55200. :-)
> > Mars '93
> >
> > /Bjorn
> > _______________________________________________
> > rescue list - http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:53:03 +0200
> From: Jochen Kunz <jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de>
> Subject: Re: [rescue] Fddi for Indigo2 questions
> To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
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> On 2003.09.24 18:35 "Purdy, Chris " wrote:
>
> > I assume this is for high-speed networking via fiber?
> Yes. 100 MBit/s.
>
> > Is there any practical application for it or should I send
> > to to e-bay land?
> Well. It is much faster then the build in 10 MBit/s Ethernet. If you
> have heavy NFS load, you will get a considerable boost if you use FDDI.
> (You would have to plug a FDDI card into your file server.)
> --
>
>
> tsch|_,
> Jochen
>
> Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:48:11 +0200
> From: Jochen Kunz <jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de>
> Subject: Re: [rescue] Advice on Octanes
> To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> Message-ID: <20030924204811.Y60376 at MissSophie.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de>
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> On 2003.09.24 19:28 Gerhard Lenerz wrote:
>
> > OH-MY-GOD... I guess it's time to hunt for a better Octane and give
> > my old one (~400 EUR in 11/02, 2xR10K/175, 512MB, 9GB, SI) away as
> > long as I still get a reasonable amount of money for it. Makes
> > probably much more sense than buying parts to upgrade.
> Yes. Prices are coming down quite quick. I saw R10k machines going for a
> bit more then 200,-EUR. But your dual CPU adds quite some value.
>
> > PS: Did you get my mail?
> Which one? The Personal IRIS stuff from yesterday? Yes, I simply had not
> the time to answer all mail. I drove deep into the "Odenwald" yesterday
> to get a nice AlphaServer 2100 with dual 250 MHz EV5 CPUs, 1 GB RAM and
> two Storage Works shelfes. :-)
> --
>
>
> tsch|_,
> Jochen
>
> Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:36:36 +0200
> From: Jochen Kunz <jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de>
> Subject: Re: [rescue] Advice on Octanes
> To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> Message-ID: <20030924203636.W60376 at MissSophie.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de>
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>
> On 2003.09.24 15:51 Joshua D. Boyd wrote:
>
> > Nope. SE + SE or SI + SI are the proper ways to go. I've heard of
> > people doing SI+SSI or SE+SSE, but it isn't officially supported.
> > There could be heat issues if you try it.
> Hmmm. I have to look. "Officially supported" is one thing and "works
> without trouble" is an other thing.
>
> > If you get a card that is the same card as what SGI OEMed, you will
> > still probably need to hack the driver.
> You mean that SGI changed the PCI vendor / device ID or tests the MAC
> address like the Phobos driver does it with the 3COM EISA 100 MBit/s
> Ethernet card?
>
> > On ebay, the cost of SGI specific FDDI cards seems to me that they are
> > only about twice what similar cards would cost for other platforms.
> I can't remember that I have seen a SGI PCI FDDI card on ebay.de in the
> last months.
> --
>
>
> tsch|_,
> Jochen
>
> Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:06:49 +0200
> From: Walter Belgers <walter+rescue at belgers.com>
> Subject: [rescue] Iris 4D/310 keyboard connector (&huge IRIX stash)
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
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> Hi,
>
> Just picked up an Iris 4D/310 RealityEngine. Is the 9-pin connector the
> console connector? The thing has a weird (15-pin?) keyboard connector.
> Or is it easy to build some kind of converter to connect a standard
> keyboard?
>
> Together with the beast, I got a *HUGE* amount of old OS media, great! I
> got IRIX 3.3 (QIC), 4.0.5, 4.0.5F, 5.0.1, 5.2, 6.2 and a huge load of
> Indyzone/Hotmix/.. CDs as well almost all HP-UX every released (7-11).
>
> Cheers,
> Walter.
> --
> Walter Belgers "Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus
> walter at belgers.com Latinis alacribus et fructuosis potiri potes!"
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:16:55 -0400
> From: "James" <james at jdfogg.com>
> Subject: [rescue] Anyone with E450's?
> To: "The Rescue List" <rescue at sunhelp.org>
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> Through various deals and efforts I can acquire a pair of E450 CPU's (part
> number and clockrate not determined yet). Is anyone interested? A trade
for
> a 360mhz U60 cpu would work for me.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:14:17 -0500
> From: "Joshua D. Boyd" <jdboyd at celestrion.celestrion.net>
> Subject: Re: [rescue] Advice on Octanes
> To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> Message-ID: <20030924191417.GH171807 at celestrion.celestrion.net>
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>
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 08:36:36PM +0200, Jochen Kunz wrote:
> > On 2003.09.24 15:51 Joshua D. Boyd wrote:
> >
> > > Nope. SE + SE or SI + SI are the proper ways to go. I've heard of
> > > people doing SI+SSI or SE+SSE, but it isn't officially supported.
> > > There could be heat issues if you try it.
> > Hmmm. I have to look. "Officially supported" is one thing and "works
> > without trouble" is an other thing.
>
> Somebody else says that SI+SSI is officially supported. I don't know.
> I thought that it was not supported, but "works without trouble" as long
> as you are extra carefull about cooling.
>
> > > If you get a card that is the same card as what SGI OEMed, you will
> > > still probably need to hack the driver.
> > You mean that SGI changed the PCI vendor / device ID or tests the MAC
> > address like the Phobos driver does it with the 3COM EISA 100 MBit/s
> > Ethernet card?
>
> Well, I don't know that for certain, but every case of using unsupported
> PCI cards that I've heard of, with the exception of using certain
> adaptec cards, they always do something tricky like that. Perhaps we
> would be lucky here. I know at least one list member (or past member)
> has an SGI FDDI PCI. Maybe if they could volunteer the information
> about who originally made it?
>
> > > On ebay, the cost of SGI specific FDDI cards seems to me that they are
> > > only about twice what similar cards would cost for other platforms.
> > I can't remember that I have seen a SGI PCI FDDI card on ebay.de in the
> > last months.
>
> Yeah, but what about people on ebay.com? Surely numberous ones will
> ship to .de
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:16:21 -0400
> From: Corda Albert J DLVA <CordaAJ at NSWC.NAVY.MIL>
> Subject: RE: [rescue] Re: SGI Galileo Video
> To: "'The Rescue List'" <rescue at sunhelp.org>
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>
> If you do find any Galileo docs, please share them with
> the rest of us... I already have a I2/Galileo setup around
> here somewhere that I wouldn't mind digging out of the
> pile and reviving, especially if I could find some of
> the documentation...
>
> -al-
> -acorda at 1bigred.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zach Lowry [mailto:zach at zachlowry.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:29 AM
> To: The Rescue List
> Subject: RE: [rescue] Re: SGI Galileo Video
>
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> I believe NetBSD has working Indigo2 FB support. Plus, who needs a
> framebuffer to do video? I capture from a console prompt on my MJPEG
> card.
>
> I think I have some docs available to me, I'm digging them up now.
>
> Zach Lowry || Murfreesboro, TN || www.zachlowry.net
> Linux / *BSD / Irix / Solaris / Apple / Unix Network Administration
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> 14 Different NetBSD-Supported Machines
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rescue-bounces at sunhelp.org
> > [mailto:rescue-bounces at sunhelp.org]On Behalf Of roosmcd at dds.nl
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:00 AM
> > To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> > Subject: [rescue] Re: SGI Galileo Video
> >
> >
> > > I am about to come into posession of 5 Galileo video boards
> > > complete with breakout boxes for a non-Impact Indigo2. If anyone
> > > would like one, please send me an e-mail, you'll only need to pay
> > > shipping.
> > >
> > > This message is sent to 3 lists, NetBSD, Debian, and Rescue list.
> > > If anyone wants one of these to try and write a driver for
> > > BSD/Linux, you will get priority... Sorry non-coders, but this
> > > would benefit everyone!
> >
> > http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/:
> > Indigo 2 framebuffer are unsupported
> >
> > Perhaps I might suggest some other priorities before getting the
> > Galileo board
> > supported? There are also some small issues with getting the
> > documentation for
> > Galileo from SGI..
> >
> > greetings,
> > Michiel
> > _______________________________________________
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