The vast majority of OO is C/C++. OO will run fine without a JVM. I agree that OO is incredibly slow (1.1beta is better) but that's not due to Java. /KRM On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 22:06:05 -0400 Phil Stracchino <alaric at caerllewys.net> wrote: > OpenOffice, written in Java, > takes almost 20 seconds.