>yes he did, and that's what i meant too. It's like in sudo-pen form and >doesn't way 20lbs like the Real Ones do. 20 lbs! Real scopes (Tek 556, buddy), weigh more like 85 lbs, and that's with no plugins. Now I've got a pretty TDS-3014 on the bench next to me at work, and it's more like 8 lbs, but being digital it's hardly a _real_ scope... :-) newell