[SunRescue] Dodge vehicles

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Sat Mar 31 01:14:57 CST 2001 

If you look at the machine tools for the block center-bore (crank) on the
2.2 and the slant 6, they are identical.  As is the crank design, web
reinforcing, bearings, etc. sans 2 cyclinders.  It's eerie.  Same thing
with the current 2.0L Dodge motor and the 2.2 and 2.5 of
yesteryear...essentially the same block and somewhat re-worked heads and
valvetrain.

It was more like a 30% ground up design(they ground up a slant 6 and took
70% of it, leaving 30% to be "engineered").



> well, i've tossed that theory back and forth a lot in thinking about
> it...the 2.2 motors are just too different from the slant-6 to be "based"
> from it... overhead cam, other things like the ports on the other side of
> the slant from the original 6, other details. No, i'd have to say that the
> 2.2 was probably 90% a ground-up design.
> 
> now, i thought about the problem with the chain mentioned earlier...had to
> be a mitsu engine. the A and B v8 motors didn't use chain guides, and the
> 2.2 and every engine since has used belts, and furthermore were
> non-interference designs....break a belt, change the belt, the valves can
> _never_ hit the piston. Gotta be a POJ mitsu :)
> 
> Mike F
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ed at the7thbeer.com <ed at the7thbeer.com>
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> Date: Saturday, March 31, 2001 12:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Dodge vehicles
> 
> 
> >The "perfect" 4?  You refer to the 2.2 and 2.4 of K-car heritage?  Nothing
> >more than Slant-6's sans 2 cylinders.  To wit, perfected long long before.
> >;)
> >
> >I still wanna buy my neighbors Challenger, but it's only got the
> >318(ick)...
> >
> >===============================
> >Ed Mitchell (ed<-at->the7thbeer.com)
> >Finger for PGP public key
> >===============================
> >This boxen's uptime stats....
> >  9:42pm  up 44 day(s),  4:44,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.01
> >
> >
> >On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Michael Free wrote:
> >
> >> sounds like the mitsubishi 2.6 engine....they used 'em in the front drive
> >> cars in the early eighties before chrysler had perfected their own
> four....
> >> which rocks, BTW...I drive one, dodge shadow.
> >>
> >> Check this guy out
> >> http://dodgegarage.www2.50megs.com
> >> he has a turbo 86 plymouth reliant that runs 10's in the quarter at
> 120MPH+
> >>
> >> Mike Free
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: wa2egp at att.net <wa2egp at att.net>
> >> To: rescue at sunhelp.org <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> >> Date: Saturday, March 31, 2001 12:24 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Dodge vehicles
> >>
> >>
> >> >  You were lucky.  My friend had one and the timing
> >> >chain "went".  Actually a plastic pin that held a guide
> >> >for the timing chain (which was still metal) wore, the
> >> >guide slipped and the chain fell off and jammed.  He had
> >> >to disassemble the engine.  It was amusing that during
> >> >the process when the engine was out of the car, the car
> >> >computer decided to announce there was an engine
> >> >malfunction ;->
> >> >> Hi All.
> >> >>
> >> >> Nothing can kill the Dodge Diplomat! I used to run a fleet of
> taxicabs,
> >> >> and the only cars I would use were Dodge Diplomat ex-police cars! You
> >> >> just can't kill them! In the fleet I was leased thru there were 3 of
> us
> >> >> that owned most of the fleet, I had 12 Diplomats, one guy had nothing
> >> >> but Chevy Caprices, and the last guy had nothing but Ford /Mercury
> Crown
> >> >> Vics / Marquis.  I generally paid 1/4 of what the other guys paid per
> >> >> car, and had 1/4 the mechanical problems with them too! I sold off
> most
> >> >> of the cabs when I moved to TN, but I brought 4 of them up here with
> me,
> >> >> and started (and fairly quickly closed) a small cab company here. I
> >> >> still own 2 of the Diplomats (although I might sell one of them, I got
> >> >> TOO many cars!), and my main vehicle is a Dodge Ram 1 ton diesel
> dually.
> >> >> The only thing I got that's not 100% chrysler is a 79 Jeep, but since
> >> >> the buyout, I guess it's retroactively a Chrysler product now :)
> >> >>
> >> >> The newest Diplomat I had was an 87 (this was just a couple of years
> >> >> ago), and the earliest was an 82, and they regularly were MUCH more
> >> >> reliable than the 90 chevys the other guy was using! I never had any
> >> >> problems with computers or sensors going bad (well, ok, one computer
> did
> >> >> die on me), but the Chevy's and Fords were always having sensor
> >> >> troubles. Of course there's no harder test of a car than making it a
> >> >> cab, they run 24/7 and actually get harder use than a police car does!
> >> >>
> >> >> Back onto the topic of computers, mentioning the rackmount drive
> trays,
> >> >> I have one in my SS690, but it only had 4 drives in it rather than the
> 6
> >> >> it could hold (this is the tray that holds 6 5.25" differential
> drives),
> >> >> anyone know where I can get the brackets that mount the drives into
> it,
> >> >> as I currently added the last 2 drives, but without proper mounting
> >> >> brackets I just have them sitting on old mousepads in the box, and I'd
> >> >> like to fix that. Thanks.
> >> >>
> >> >> -Mike
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 11:37:00PM -0800, James Lockwood wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > On a trip up to San Jose from L.A., I managed to pack 8 of the
> large
> >> Sun
> >> >> > > rackmount drive trays into my '78 Dodge Diplomat (4D sedan), plus
> 2
> >> >> > > passengers and a bunch of extra drives. That included about 60
> 5.25"
> >> FH
> >> >> > > hard drives with a total weight of well over half a ton.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ah yes, the famous "dodge4d" architecture.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have found Chrysler products ugly and cheap, but quite good at
> >> holding
> >> >> > lots of stuff.  I often drove a Caravan ("minimax" architecture)
> around
> >> with
> >> >> > up to about 4000 pounds of stuff in it when I worked for my family's
> >> business.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Cordially
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Patrick Giagnocavo
> >> >> > patrick at zill.net
> >> >> >
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