[SunRescue] RE: Rescue digest, Vol 1 #1005 - 15 msgs
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Today's Topics:
1. OT: Dual-fours... (Jonathan Katz)
2. Re: SunBlade 100 pricing and it's effect on the used
market (flinters)
3. Re: Ultra 10 SCSI controllers revisited (mnapaul1 at netscape.net)
4. Re: Ultra 10 SCSI controllers revisited (Mike Nicewonger)
5. Re: Piles and piles of Sun stuff to dispose of (hopefully!) (Steve
Pacenka)
6. Netbooting and other bits (mike dombrowski)
7. Re:Dual carbs (Chad Fernandez)
8. Re: Looking for SS20 (Ken Hansen)
9. Re: Ultra 10 SCSI controllers revisited (Ken Hansen)
10. Re: Looking for SS20 (Mike Nicewonger)
11. IPX nvram problems (Eric Hall)
12. Re: Ultra 10 SCSI controllers revisited (Bill Bradford)
13. RE: Looking for SS20 (Ken Hansen)
14. Looking for a good ultra 60 2X (Christopher Byrne)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:30:00 -0500
From: Jonathan Katz <jon at jonworld.com>
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: [SunRescue] OT: Dual-fours...
Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Chad asked:
> Do you have any idea what is warping your intake?
Other than the fact it is 42 years old, no.
> I realize you might get this all the time, but why dual carbs? Now days
> a modern single 4bbl is the way to, from what I understand...... or
> injection, but that can get real expensive real fast!
Because, dual carbs in a 43 year old car makes sense.... Nothing
like that extra vroom when the 2nd one kicks in.
-Jon
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:44:21 -0800 (PST)
From: flinters <flinters at picarefy.com>
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] SunBlade 100 pricing and it's effect on the used
market
Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org
On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Chad Fernandez wrote:
> I realize you might get this all the time, but why dual carbs? Now days
> a modern single 4bbl is the way to, from what I understand...... or
> injection, but that can get real expensive real fast!
Dual carbs will flow more air than a single four barrel, regardless of
size. The flow pattern inside of the manifold for a dual carb set up is
better and more direct than the plethora of chambers and areas you need to
flood with air/fuel on a four barrel single carb unit.
Dual carbs are much harder to keep synched though and have more parts to
fail. It's a trade off.
-Dan Canaan
-1968 Triumph Spitfire with dual HS2 side draft carbs
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 15:43:02 -0800
From: mnapaul1 at netscape.net
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Ultra 10 SCSI controllers revisited
Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org
There are 2 type that can be used. One is from Symbios model 8751sp
(remember, you need the sp to make it work. It does use the symbios
chip that boot into solaris). THe other is from intraware model 875.
most of these cards cost about $60 used. If you want it to boot to
seperate drives you may want to consider using sun 411 or 911 and
connect it to the external 68 pin scsi.
good luck
hmv at meredithm.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Mar 2001, you wrote:
>
>> Quick question, on a U-10, if I want to add SCSI but do not need it
>> to be bootable what controllers are supported under Solaris?
>
>
> As a guess, I'd say most older Symbios Logic cards.
>
>
>> Lottery: a tax on those bad at math.
>
>
> Also works as insurance against the rest of the team winning and ending
> up doing the work of 10 people.
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Message: 4
From: "Mike Nicewonger" <twmaster at twmaster.com>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Ultra 10 SCSI controllers revisited
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:56:56 -0500
Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Just ordered 4 of them. :)
Mike N
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bradford" <mrbill at mrbill.net>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Ultra 10 SCSI controllers revisited
> On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 04:30:12PM -0500, nick at snowman.net wrote:
> > Wasn't the SYM8751 supported by solaris and bootable?
> > http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=SYM8751SP
>
> YES. *SNAP THESE UP* at $59 each, damn. I just ordered one
> for sunhelp.org so I can hook up a scsi tape drive. 8-)
>
> They work in all PCI-bus Suns, and are teh same chipset used
> in the E450, among others.
>
> Bill
>
> --
> Bill Bradford
> mrbill at mrbill.net
> Austin, TX
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 19:13:55 -0500
From: Steve Pacenka <sp17 at cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Piles and piles of Sun stuff to dispose of
(hopefully!)
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> The company I work for is in the process of cleaning out their labs and
> storage closets and store rooms and whatnot and are throwing out piles of
> older Sun stuff -- mostly keyboards, mice, older/broken monitors,
cables --
> at a tremendous rate.
> At this point, I've managed to secure "theoretical" permission to haul it
> all away, given that it's going into the garbage otherwise, but I'm still
> trying to get clearance from the security dept. to remove it from the
> premises, and trying to figure out what I am and am not allowed to do with
> it, disposal-wise.
Jeffrey,
There may be some stuff left over after SunRescuers haul the choice bits
away.
:^)
"Garbage" is a lousy destination for electronics equipment of any kind.
Computer scrap contains hazardous materials and non-hazardous materials that
will take forever to decompose in a landfill.
For the stuff that can't be reused, there ought to be many electronics scrap
recyclers in your area.
> And finally, the head of the IS department has run across two Sun part
> numbers in her part list that she can't identify, and would like to ask
for
> your help:
>
> 370-2162 ASSY, 150MHZ, HYPERSPARC MODULE
150MHz MBUS HyperSparc CPU module for SS20 (also 10?), 512K cache. Sold by
Sun as the "HS151".
> 501-2996 ASSY, PCB, 0MB, CPU, TAZMO
Ultra 450 system motherboard.
Lists for over $3000.
Reference: Just type in the part numbers at Google.
-- SP
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Message: 6
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 19:39:20 EST
From: "mike dombrowski" <legodude at home.net>
Subject: [SunRescue] Netbooting and other bits
Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org
I'm trying to netboot OpenBSD 2.8 on my IPC and I've run into a
problem. I think I have most services setup properly, but, it fails
kinda miserably.
ok boot net
Boot device: /sbus/le at 0,c00000 File and args:
12200
>> OpenBSD BOOT 2.1
boot: client IP address: 192.168.0.11
boot: client name: ipc
root addr=192.168.0.3 path=/export/ipc/root
getport: Unknown error: code 72Can't open network device `/
sbus at 1,f8000000/le at 0,
c00000'
open: bsd: Unknown error: code 72
device[/sbus at 1,f8000000/le at 0,c00000]:
Has anyone else run into this problem? I have no idea where to go from
here with debugging this, the network worked fine under Solaris so... I
read somewhere that 72 might mean "RPC struct is bad" but I don't know
what that means? Is my Linux NFS server screwing things up?
Also, how much faster is a TGX/TGX+ than a GX? Is it worth the upgrade?
Thanks
Mike
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 19:59:59 -0500
From: Chad Fernandez <fernande at internet1.net>
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: [SunRescue] Re:Dual carbs
Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Hmmmm, This is what magazines usually state used to be true. I don't
have any real world experience with dual carbs, However. Modern
manifold designs are supposed to take care of the problem with air/gas
mixture irregularity problems in some runners. Oh, well..... I guess
this isn't a carb list anyways :-)
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
flinters wrote:
> Dual carbs will flow more air than a single four barrel, regardless of
> size. The flow pattern inside of the manifold for a dual carb set up is
> better and more direct than the plethora of chambers and areas you need to
> flood with air/fuel on a four barrel single carb unit.
>
> Dual carbs are much harder to keep synched though and have more parts to
> fail. It's a trade off.
>
> -Dan Canaan
> -1968 Triumph Spitfire with dual HS2 side draft carbs
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Message: 8
From: "Ken Hansen" <n2vip at bellatlantic.net>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Looking for SS20
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:07:40 -0500
Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Geez - I can't find an SS/20 anywhere for 'ol Bill... Where did they go?
I thought I had recently seen these for like $75-100/each somehwere...
Could they be used as trade-ins for Sun Blade 100's?
Hmmm....
But I did spot a decent deal, for those with patience: An SS/5 w/64 Meg RAM
and TGX Framebuffer and 4 Gig HD for $290.
The RAM is worth somewhere between $35 and $70 (if 8x 8 Meg or 2x 32 Meg).
The HD Tray is worth $25.
The HD is another $25-40.
The Framebuffer is worth $25-50.
So let's call all the misc. bits worth $150, so the bare SS/5 170 is costing
you $140 + S/H.
That's a lot of computing for a few hundred dollars...
He is claiming they are Mfg. refurbs, but I doubt that...
Ken
(who *really* doesn't need an SS/5 170...)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bradford" <mrbill at mrbill.net>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 2:37 PM
Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for SS20
> I'm in the market (possibly) for a SS20, if anybody has one barebones,
> let me know.
>
> bill
>
> --
> Bill Bradford
> mrbill at mrbill.net
> Austin, TX
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 9
From: "Ken Hansen" <n2vip at bellatlantic.net>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Ultra 10 SCSI controllers revisited
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:13:44 -0500
Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Would these work in a Sun Blade 100?????
Just what that IDE-based beast might need to really kick-up the
performance...
And at $59 no less...
Ken
(who really doen't need a Sun Blade 100 either, but maybe I should buy the
card in case I ever *do* need one ;^)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Nicewonger" <twmaster at twmaster.com>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Ultra 10 SCSI controllers revisited
> Just ordered 4 of them. :)
>
> Mike N
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Bradford" <mrbill at mrbill.net>
> To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 6:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Ultra 10 SCSI controllers revisited
>
>
> > On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 04:30:12PM -0500, nick at snowman.net wrote:
> > > Wasn't the SYM8751 supported by solaris and bootable?
> > > http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=SYM8751SP
> >
> > YES. *SNAP THESE UP* at $59 each, damn. I just ordered one
> > for sunhelp.org so I can hook up a scsi tape drive. 8-)
> >
> > They work in all PCI-bus Suns, and are teh same chipset used
> > in the E450, among others.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > --
> > Bill Bradford
> > mrbill at mrbill.net
> > Austin, TX
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> >
>
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Message: 10
From: "Mike Nicewonger" <twmaster at twmaster.com>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Looking for SS20
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:45:24 -0500
Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org
I have an SS20 base I can let go for $110.00
I also have an Ultra 1/170 (non-E) in 3rd party case for $450.00 (128, 2 GB,
TGX, etc)
And SS5 110's with 2 GB, 64 MB CD-ROM/FD TGX for $300.00
Moving next week, help this big guy clean house!!
Mike N
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Hansen" <n2vip at bellatlantic.net>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Looking for SS20
> Geez - I can't find an SS/20 anywhere for 'ol Bill... Where did they go?
>
> I thought I had recently seen these for like $75-100/each somehwere...
>
> Could they be used as trade-ins for Sun Blade 100's?
>
> Hmmm....
>
> But I did spot a decent deal, for those with patience: An SS/5 w/64 Meg
RAM
> and TGX Framebuffer and 4 Gig HD for $290.
>
> The RAM is worth somewhere between $35 and $70 (if 8x 8 Meg or 2x 32 Meg).
>
> The HD Tray is worth $25.
>
> The HD is another $25-40.
>
> The Framebuffer is worth $25-50.
>
> So let's call all the misc. bits worth $150, so the bare SS/5 170 is
costing
> you $140 + S/H.
>
> That's a lot of computing for a few hundred dollars...
>
> He is claiming they are Mfg. refurbs, but I doubt that...
>
> Ken
> (who *really* doesn't need an SS/5 170...)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Bradford" <mrbill at mrbill.net>
> To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 2:37 PM
> Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for SS20
>
>
> > I'm in the market (possibly) for a SS20, if anybody has one barebones,
> > let me know.
> >
> > bill
> >
> > --
> > Bill Bradford
> > mrbill at mrbill.net
> > Austin, TX
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 19:56:23 -0600
From: Eric Hall <jester_123 at yahoo.com>
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: [SunRescue] IPX nvram problems
Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Hello All.
I started getting the dreaded
"Power-On SelfTest FAILED ...
Replace TOD/NVRAM"
message. So I ordered a new
one. An M48T12-150PC1, I read
the thread from a while back.
Followed the directions from
the nvram faq, got the thing
reprogrammed , and I still
get the message. So I guess
the M48T12-150PC1 is not
the one to use in an IPX after all.
It boots up ok, but I can't run it
headless because of that message.
any suggestions?
Eric H
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:25:10 -0600
From: Bill Bradford <mrbill at mrbill.net>
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Ultra 10 SCSI controllers revisited
Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org
On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 08:13:44PM -0500, Ken Hansen wrote:
> Would these work in a Sun Blade 100?????
Perfectly. in fact, the card Sun sells is most likely one of these
with a Sun sticker on it. I know the other cards they sell are just
relabled Symbios Logic (like the dual-port differential..)
> Just what that IDE-based beast might need to really kick-up the
> performance...
> And at $59 no less...
Yep.
> Ken
> (who really doen't need a Sun Blade 100 either, but maybe I should buy the
> card in case I ever *do* need one ;^)
I suggest it. THese go for lots more than this on eBay. I'd order 2 or
3 if I could.. cuz they work in PCs too, of course..
Bill
--
Bill Bradford
mrbill at mrbill.net
Austin, TX
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Message: 13
From: "Ken Hansen" <n2vip at bellatlantic.net>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Subject: RE: [SunRescue] Looking for SS20
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 00:22:23 -0500
Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Bill,
In my opinion, an SS/20 only makes sense if you have a
reasonably well-stocked parts bin, and don't need to go out and
look for HDs, RAM, or CPUs. The way the market is right now, I
would be very hesitant to open my wallet and spend *cash* of any
magnatude on SBUS SPARC hardware.
Any box based on a Sun4c CPU (IPC, SS/1/2/etc) is not worth
dollar one to me, that is not to say they don't have usefullnes,
but I think the folks that buy these units now are going to be
the last owners of them.
I liken this to the market for 80486-based PCs.
Sun4m boxes have a bit more time to be marketable, but honestly,
I'd have to think real hard before I open my wallet for anything
less than a *real nice* SS/20 (like the 2x SM50, 128 Meg RAM, 2x
1 Gig HD, 4 Meg VSIMM and CD-ROM equiped SS/20 I got for about
$250 a few months back). The 2x SM71s were a nice upgrade, and I
think that box will be my "beater" for trying things out.
Sun Ultra 1s are still quite usefull, and they will be
marketable for 12-18 months, due mainly to their spiraling value
and binary compatability with newer machines.
Ultra 2s are the new SS/20s AFAIAC, and will hold their value
for 2 years plus, since they are so powerful, and deployed in so
many applications as servers... At 2x300 MHz Ultra SPARC CPUs,
these units can handle most anything thrown at them, esp. I/O
related activities.
I can't speak to the Ultra 5, 10 and above systems - I've just
not dealt with them to have any sense of value/lifespan/etc.
Sun Blade 100s are the crack cocaine of the Sun market, and once
I can get one with a decent discount (educational) I'll be on
that unit right away. What I really like is the low-cost of
add-ons, like RAM, HD, etc. I suspect that a $1K server will
decimate the Cobalt Cube/RAQ market, and their technology will
evolve into a pure software offering, based on Sun's new
generation of hardware...
Well, those are my thoughts, I'm sure some folks will difer with
me, but hey, that's why were here, right? ;^)
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org
[mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
Behalf Of Bill Bradford
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 2:38 PM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for SS20
I'm in the market (possibly) for a SS20, if anybody has one
barebones,
let me know.
bill
--
Bill Bradford
mrbill at mrbill.net
Austin, TX
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Message: 14
From: "Christopher Byrne" <chris at chrisbyrne.com>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:05:37 -0800
Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for a good ultra 60 2X
Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org
All,
I knew I should have held off on the Ultra ten until I could buy the Ultra
60 I really wanted, but when the 10 came in at well under 1300 (this was
four months ago, they were usually going for quite a bit more)I had to get
it. And I love it, but I really still want a 60.
Now the 1000, and 100 are out, and I can't get either of those because of
stocking problems (I wouldn't want the 100 anyway, I think over all the 10
is a better machine) so I am once again looking for an Ultra 60.
Heres my dream config
Ultra 60
2x450 + 4mb
512mb RAM
2x 9 or larger HDD
DVD drive
Elite 3D m6 or expert 3D
Obviously I'm unlikely to find one of these on the used market at a
reasonable price, unless I go to one of those dot.com dead pool auctions
that is.
Anyway I'm looking for systems under about 5 grand, dual processor with big
cache, and plenty of RAM, must have at least the Elite M3. Everything else
is just wish list.
Anyone know where I can get this (other than off the back of a truck)?
Chris Byrne
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