On 23/10/2007, at 18:56, Jonathan Katz wrote: > They know this. They make products that die; most iPods only last > 2-3 years > between hard drives and hard-soldered batteries that aren't > user-replaceable. Um, I just replaced the battery in my iPod for about $15 from ifixit.com. It was not soldered in. Maybe older ones were? My 4G was a snap to replace. ---sambo