[SunHELP] RE: SunHELP digest, Vol 1 #1249 - 16 msgs

Mon Sep 10 11:02:42 CDT 2001

Hi Admins,

How to check whether a D1000 has been attached to a system or not?
Any command or does it add any settings in /etc/system or other files =
??

Thanx and Regards=A0=A0=20
-Umesh=20
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20
=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Umesh Tayde=20
Unix System Administrator=20

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Today's Topics:

   1. RE: About route question (very interesting topic) (Kevin Stevens)
   2. Help (gaurang dave)
   3. RE: Connecting to the internet (Michael Vang)
   4. Why does my ISDN link keep re-dialing? (Richard Skelton)
   5. Re: [Suns-at-Home] Why does my ISDN link keep re-dialing?
(BrandonButterworth)
   6. start up script (Betty_Cross at mapinfo.com)
   7. Re: Solaris VPN Client (Kevin Stevens)
   8. ifspeed (Graham, Sean)
   9. SS10 - Second processor.... (Matthew Poertner)
  10. Re: Re: Sun Part numbers (Bill Bradford)
  11. Re: Virus Scanning email (Afrose Abdulla)
  12. Re: SS10 - Second processor.... (Maarten Deen)
  13. Re: [rescue] serial ports under Solaris 8 (Larry Snyder)
  14. Re: Re: Virus Scanning email (Chanaka Mendis)
  15. Re: ifspeed (Dale Ghent)
  16. Re: Number of ptys (Dale Ghent)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:01:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin Stevens <_kevin_stevens_ at yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [SunHELP] About route question (very interesting topic)
To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org

They are using router-supported RARP to respond to the ARPed requests
from the worksation.  It is possible to configure Sun stations to work
this way as well, I saw the documentation a couple of months back, I
believe on Cisco's site.

KeS

--- "Fogg, James" <JFogg at vicinity.com> wrote:
> Sorry, but I don't have enough CPU cyles left in my old brain to
> scratch out
> a decent answer for this odd behaviour. I can tell you with excellent
> authority that the default gateway needs to be the address of the
> router for
> that VLAN (not to brag, but I only admin as a sideline & hobby, I am
> actually a network engineer by trade).
>=20
> If you want to forward me a detailed network drawing that includes
> addresses
> of major nodes (incl. netmask) and the configs of your
> switches/routers I
> can definately produce a quick and accurate answer. But, please
> remember
> that you will compromise security by releasing such information. If
> you
> choose to take me up on my offer please as a minimum delete any SNMP
> information (espcially community strings which are really a password)
> from
> your configs.
>=20
> Also remember that if you have static routes programmed into your
> equipment
> that a default gateway is irrelavent. I never suggest static routes
> in
> hosts, but someone may have done it. I **really** don't suggest it
> for Unix
> hosts unless unavoidable. For the hell of it try a netstat -r on a
> Unix
> machine and include that in the package. There is also an equivalent
> to
> netstat -r for Windows.
>=20
> What I'm getting at here, is that the anomoly rests in the Windows
> world,
> not the Unix world. Another possiblity is that the network does not
> truly
> use VLANs (you can get VLAN-like behaviour without having a true
> VLAN).
>=20
> <having read reply more carefully> No, Windows is not VLAN-aware. No
> O/S
> should *ever* be VLAN-aware, as it would break the reasons for having
> VLAN's. VLAN's only exist in the network world. To the attached O/S,
> it
> appears to have a LAN that is physically separate from the other
> LANs.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Lee [mailto:johnlee at sc.mcel.mot.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 9:48 PM
> > To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> > Subject: RE: [SunHELP] About route question (very interesting
> topic)
> >=20
> >=20
> > Hi Fogg,
> >=20
> > Thanks for your input.
> >=20
> > Actually, I don't think my NT machine is broken because all=20
> > our more than
> > 200 NT machines have the same case. This is an interesting=20
> > thing. Let me
> > decribe it in detail.
> >=20
> > On one subnet 200.10.2.x(mask is 255.255.255.0), If I set one=20
> > NT machine's
> > default gateway as its IP(for example: 200.10.2.25), then run
> tracert
> > command, the result will be as below:
> > -----------------------------------------
> > c:>tracert 200.2.1.27
> > Tracing route to 200.2.1.27 over a maximum of 30 hops
> > 1    <10ms    <10ms    <10ms    200.3.1.254
> > 2    <10ms    <10ms    <10ms    200.2.1.27
> > -----------------------------------------
> > If I run traceroute command  on a solaris machine with=20
> > IP=3D200.10.2.26, the
> > result will be:
> > -----------------------------------------
> > %traceroute 200.2.1.27
> > traceroute to 200.2.1.27 (200.2.1.27), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
> > 1    200.10.2.254(200.10.2.254)     0.397 ms  0.361 ms  0.322 ms
> > 2    200.4.3.254(200.4.3.254) 0.514 ms *  0.499 ms
> > 3    200.2.1.27(200.2.1.27)     4.116 ms *  3.323 ms
> > ----------------------------------------
> >=20
> > From above, We can see NT machine's IP traffic route is different
> with
> > Solaris machine. What I want to do is let Solaris machine go=20
> > through the
> > same route as NT machine. I don't know how to do. It seems=20
> > that NT machine
> > is VLAN aware, but Solaris isn't.
> >=20
> > By the way, Many of my colleagues think it is strange thing.=20
> > But it is true
> > and I have tested on serveral subnets. Our network equiment=20
> > include Cisco
> > and CableTron.
> >=20
> > I think this is an interesting topic worth of discussing. I=20
> > don't know if I
> > need install the third-party software on Solaris so that it=20
> > can be VLAN
> > aware.
> >=20
> > Thanks for all your input !
> >=20
> > Best Regards
> > John
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fogg, James [mailto:JFogg at vicinity.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 9:16 PM
> > To: 'sunhelp at sunhelp.org'
> > Subject: RE: [SunHELP] About route question
> >=20
> >=20
> > Your NT machine is actually broken. Its default gateway should be
> the
> > gateway for the VLAN router. MS networking uses broadcast netbios
> > annoucements to "find" each other and build the network browse
> lists.
> > Because of this, the brokeness isn't apparent.
> >=20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Lee [mailto:johnlee at sc.mcel.mot.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 2:50 AM
> > > To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> > > Subject: [SunHELP] About route question
> > >
> > >
> > > Greetings Everyone,
> > >
> > > I encounted a route question and want to get help from you.
> > >
> > > We have a network with VLAN enabled. On this network, if one
> > > NT machine have
> > > its default gateway same IP address as its IP, it will have
> > > no problem in
> > > connection to other network nodes. But for a Solaris machine,
> > > it can't.
> > >
> > > Can anyone advise me why ?
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > > John
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sunhelp
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >=20
> >=20
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> >=20
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 00:34:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: gaurang dave <gaurang123 at yahoo.com>
To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
Subject: [SunHELP] Help
Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org

Dear Friends,
I have cddrive at target id 2 in my sun ultra m/c.
conventionally cddrive's target id is set to 6 and
devalias for the same is cdrom but i hv devalias for
target 2 is disk2 so will it be fine if i give "boot
disk2" while booting with cdrom or it is mendatory to
keep cddrive's target id 6 while booting with cdrom.

With best Regards,

Gaurang. =20

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:04:05 -0400
From: Michael Vang <mvang at MailAndNews.com>
To: "Muhammad  Alkhattab" <saudia at attcanada.ca>, sunhelp at sunhelp.org
Subject: RE: [SunHELP] Connecting to the internet
Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org

>Secondly,I am trying to access the internet through my modem.Is there =
a
step
>by step procedure in doing this.I am running solaris 8 on an intel =
base
>platform(compaq proliant server).

There is a walkthrough that uses asppp:

http://www.kempston.org/solaris/connectanyisp.html

I recently switched to pppd because I kept getting messages telling me =
that=20
asppp was going to be discontinued... just play around with the files =
in=20
/etc/ppp and read the pppd man page...

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 07:37:51 +0100 (BST)
From: Richard Skelton <Richard.Skelton at brake.demon.co.uk>
To: sunmanagers at sunmanagers.org
Cc: sunhelp at sunhelp.org, suns-at-home at net-kitchen.com
Subject: [SunHELP] Why does my ISDN link keep re-dialing?
Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org

Hi,
I have a SparcStation LX with SunISDN 1.0.4 working with my ISP.
The only problem is that it keeps re-dialing every few minuets :-
07:21:02   [pppd] terminate_path: last link
07:21:02 [isdn] pipe_hangup: hangup detected fd 5
07:21:02   [pppd] terminate_path: TERMINATED p 4abc8 state 0 linkid 0
07:21:02   [pppd] disconnect: disconnected connection(s) from  ifppp0
07:21:02   [pppd] process_ifppp_msg: ctl.len 16 dat.len 532 message 114
07:21:02   [pppd] process_ifppp_msg: EVENT INDICATION, ifppp0 muxid -1
07:21:03 [isdn] l4_rcv: received msg 64 cp 19a5f0 nai 0 conn_id 0
07:21:03 [isdn] [state=3Dclearing] <-ACU_CLEAR_CO nai 0 conn_id 0 =
[releasing=20
context cp 19a5f0]
07:21:03 [isdn] clear cause: 16 dec, 10 hex
07:21:03 [isdn] txt: unknown code 0
07:21:03 [isdn] cost: 0
07:22:31   [pppd] process_ifppp_msg: ctl.len 28 dat.len 60 message 101
07:22:31   [pppd] process_ifppp_msg: CONNECTION REQUEST, ifppp0 needs
connection
07:22:31   [pppd] process_ifppp_msg: ip_spoofing is 1
07:22:31   [pppd] interpret_ip: ip->ip_p 11 fraglen 40 iplen 40
07:22:31   [pppd] outgoing_call:  p 4abc8 linkid 0 mode 0
07:22:31 [isdn] accept_fifo_connection handle 0x10001 fds 0
07:22:31 [isdn] accept_fifo_connection recvfd.fd 5
07:22:31   [pppd] Sending isdn_conn_rq address 08452121667 cc_nai -1 =
service
D=20
channel_grouping  1 overlap_sending 0 fd 10

I have snooped the ifppp0 interface and I think it's a DNS request =
which is=20
requesting the link to establish.
How can I find the program which is doing the DNS request ?
I have norip ifppp0 in /etc/gateways and I am not running in.routed

--
Cheers
Richard.
=3D
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			 WWW	: http://www.brake.demon.co.uk/
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Message: 5
From: brandon at rd.bbc.co.uk (BrandonButterworth)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:32:59 +0100 (BST)
To: sunmanagers at sunmanagers.org, Richard.Skelton at brake.demon.co.uk
Cc: sunhelp at sunhelp.org, suns-at-home at net-kitchen.com
Subject: [SunHELP] Re: [Suns-at-Home] Why does my ISDN link keep =
re-dialing?
Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org

> I have a SparcStation LX with SunISDN 1.0.4 working with my ISP.
> The only problem is that it keeps re-dialing every few minuets :-

> I have snooped the ifppp0 interface and I think it's a DNS request =
which
is=20
> requesting the link to establish.

nscd does that (assuming Solaris) continuously, it's best killed

brandon

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Message: 6
To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
From: Betty_Cross at mapinfo.com
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 12:24:11 -0400
Subject: [SunHELP] start up script
Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org

  I am trying to create a start up script for an application by calling =
the
vendor supplied
startup script.  However, the vendor's startup script requires the =
process
to be
run in the foreground.  It also needs to be run from a specific =
directory
as a specific
user.  Any suggestions on how to make this work would be greatly
appreciated.

Betty

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 11:39:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kevin Stevens <_kevin_stevens_ at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SunHELP] Solaris VPN Client
To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org

--- steve price <sdp6513050 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> along the same lines - has anyone ever found one that
> would work with cisco?  cisco doesn't have one, and i
> have to use a peecee at home....bummer

You need to know what you're connecting to - Cisco has a couple of
different VPN products.  The one they acquired from Compatible Systems
a couple of years ago does have a Solaris client available, I know.

KeS

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Message: 8
From: "Graham, Sean" <Sean_Graham at es.adp.com>
To: "'sunhelp at sunhelp.org'" <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:51:12 -0400=20
Subject: [SunHELP] ifspeed
Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org

I have a Sun server that is causing trouble on my backup network. I did =
a
netstat -k on the interface and noticed that ifspeed was set to
100000000 while all my other servers are set to 100. Can anyone tell me
where I can change this parameter ? Any help would be appreciated!
Thanks,

Sean Graham
ADP
Web Hosting
M/S 235a
(973) 974-5377
mailto:sean_graham at es.adp.com

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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 01:41:20 -0700
From: Matthew Poertner <mrblue at mrplaid.com>
To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
Subject: [SunHELP] SS10 - Second processor....
Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org

I have a SS10 and got another CPU for it today but I can't seem to get=20
it going.  When I boot up into prom (or whatever you call it).  I type=20
"module-info" and I get back:

CPU# 0 : 40.0 SuperSPARC
CPU# 2 : 40.0 SuperSPARC

Ok, so I boot up into Solaris 8 from disk and I notice a message:

MP not supported on downrev SuperSPARC without SuperCache booting UP =
only
CPU0: TI, TMS390Z50 version 0x0
CPU2: TI, TMS390Z50 version 0x0

I don't know what that means so I ignore it and log on as root.  I do a =

"psrinfo" and get:
0    on-line    since 09/09/01    01:15:28

Then I do:
psradm -n 2
and get:
psradm: Processor 2: Invalid argument

I've also tried -n with numbers 0-5 - No luck.

I'm new to SUN systems and have very little linux/unix experience so=20
I'll admit I don't know what I'm doing but any help would be greatly=20
appreciated.

Thanks!
Matt

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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 05:59:23 -0500
From: Bill Bradford <mrbill at mrbill.net>
To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunHELP] Re: Sun Part numbers
Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org

On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 01:32:55AM +0000, Wally A. Alubankudi wrote:
<ebay ad snipped>

Please do not use this forum to advertise your eBay auctions.  If you
(or anyone else) does this again, expect your subscription to be yanked
as soon as I find out. =20

Private individuals with items for sale to other list members are free
to advertise their items ONCE.  Auction ads, however, are NOT allowed=20
here.  Dont use my machines and bandwidth to advertise your auctions.

Bill (list master, web master, SUNHELP dude at large)

--=20
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mrbill at mrbill.net
Austin, TX

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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 18:03:39 +0400
From: Afrose Abdulla <ahmed.afrose at siemens.co.ae>
Organization: Siemens Dubai
To: "sunhelp at sunhelp.org" <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
Subject: [SunHELP] Re: Virus Scanning email
Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--------------EF43BCF8BB2CF3E5AEC483CB
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi Everyone,
Has anybody implemented Trend Micro's VirusWall software with
iPlanet/Netscape Messaging Server? If there is anyone, could you please
let me know how it works and what has to be done. I do know how it =
works
with Sendmail FYI.
thanks..
//af

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begin:vcard=20
n:Afrose;Ahmed=20
tel;cell:00971 50 5356610
tel;fax:00971 4 3319547
tel;work:00971 4 3319578
x-mozilla-html:FALSE
url:http://www.siemens.com
org:SIEMENS;Siemens Business Services
adr:;;;Dubai;;;UAE
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email;internet:ahmed.afrose at siemens.co.ae
title:Systems Engineer
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Message: 12
From: "Maarten Deen" <mdeen at xs4all.nl>
To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:07:53 +0200
Subject: Re: [SunHELP] SS10 - Second processor....
Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org

Matthew Poertner:

> I have a SS10 and got another CPU for it today but I can't seem to =
get=20
> it going.  When I boot up into prom (or whatever you call it).  I =
type=20
> "module-info" and I get back:
>=20
> CPU# 0 : 40.0 SuperSPARC
> CPU# 2 : 40.0 SuperSPARC
>=20
> Ok, so I boot up into Solaris 8 from disk and I notice a message:
>=20
> MP not supported on downrev SuperSPARC without SuperCache booting UP =
only
> CPU0: TI, TMS390Z50 version 0x0
> CPU2: TI, TMS390Z50 version 0x0
>=20
> I don't know what that means so I ignore it and log on as root.  I do =
a=20

You ignore the one and only message that says there is a problem.=20
MP with some of the earlier processors is not possible due to some=20
bugs. This message told you that the machine is going to boot UP=20
(uni-processor).

There is no fix, except change the processormodules
See also http://mbus.sunhelp.org/modules/ in the large table under=20
footnote 1.

Cheers,

Maarten
--
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3076879
mdeen at xs4all.nl                              =
http://www.xs4all.nl/~mdeen

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Message: 13
From: Larry Snyder <larrys at lexisnexis.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:08:15 -0400 (EDT)
To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
Subject: [SunHELP] Re: [rescue] serial ports under Solaris 8
Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org

Ok, dummy me saw zsmon as the pmtag attached to the tty, and ass-u-med
it was the zs port.  Pci boxes use the se driver.  Oops!  Problem
solved.
thanx!
and BTW, you're right about her tutorial.  Excellent stuff!
-ls-

Greg <gonufer at yahoo.com> wrote:
> To ensure that modems actually hang up when they are supposed to
> amongst other things, the serial drivers enforce that DTR remain low
> for 3 seconds. You can tune that, see the "DTR Delay Problems"
> section of this page:
>=20
>    http://www.stokely.com/unix.serial.port.resources/tutorials.html
>=20
> Celeste has one of the most useful collection of information if =
you're
> doing anything with serial ports on Unix, bookmark her site:
>=20
>    http://www.stokely.com/unix.serial.port.resources/index.html
>=20
> -greg

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Message: 14
From: "Chanaka Mendis" <chanakam at millenniumit.com>
To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:03:33 +0600
Subject: Re: [SunHELP] Re: Virus Scanning email
Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org

are you going to install it in CVP mode or in Normal Mode.
If you are going to install in normal mode either you make a gateway=20
virus scanner or you have to change the smtp port (25) of the Netscape=20
messgaing server.

/Gayantha
----- Original Message -----
From: Afrose Abdulla <ahmed.afrose at siemens.co.ae>
Date: Sunday, September 9, 2001 8:03 pm
Subject: [SunHELP] Re: Virus Scanning email

> Hi Everyone,
> Has anybody implemented Trend Micro's VirusWall software with
> iPlanet/Netscape Messaging Server? If there is anyone, could you=20
> pleaselet me know how it works and what has to be done. I do know=20
> how it works
> with Sendmail FYI.
> thanks..
>=20

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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:39:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dale Ghent <daleg at elemental.org>
To: "'sunhelp at sunhelp.org'" <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
Subject: Re: [SunHELP] ifspeed
Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org

On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Graham, Sean wrote:

| I have a Sun server that is causing trouble on my backup network. I =
did a
| netstat -k on the interface and noticed that ifspeed was set to
| 100000000 while all my other servers are set to 100. Can anyone tell =
me
| where I can change this parameter ? Any help would be appreciated!

That number is in bits, not megabits.

100000000 / 1000000 =3D 100

That interface is indeed running at 100Mb.

/dale

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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:42:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dale Ghent <daleg at elemental.org>
To: "'sunhelp at sunhelp.org'" <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
Subject: Re: [SunHELP] Number of ptys
Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org

On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Shahid Shahzad-W5106C wrote:

| Hi, As more users open more windows, I am running into errors of the
| type: "Unable to open window: out of ptys". How can I increase the
| number of ptys on a solaris 2.6, E3500 system.

edit /etc/system and add the line:

set pty_cnt =3D number

where "number" is the number of PTYs you want created on the system. =
The
default is 48, I believe.

After editing the file, run 'reboot -- -r'

/dale

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