[geeks] [rescue] Guns - what are they good for? - was Re: TME and Apple II and other Drive emulator questions.

[hike]

Generally, if you check the gun death statistics in the USA, deaths where
LEOs shot people are included and many of these statistics include
accidents and suicides.  That is, the statistic mix apples and oranges:
homicide, justified shootings, accidental and suicide.  With this factored
in, one article may list one type of gun death, one article may list
another, and one article may list the total gun deaths.  The anti-gun
groups have a practice of including all gun death (LEO, accidental,
suicide) and calling them bmurdersb.  This is common knowledge and has
been
published many times (lots more than 3) in the main stream media.


On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 6:09 AM, Jonathan Groll <lists at groll.co.za> wrote:

> On Mon, 19 May 2014 08:51:04 -0400, hike <mh1272 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > When my father was a child in Virgina, he would take his .22 rifle to
> > school in order to go hunting right after school.  They stacked the guns
> in
> > a corner of the classroom, I suppose.  He never spoke of it as if there
> was
> > any rigamarole or b specialb  procedures for doing so.  He taught me that
> > guns were for sport, hunting included, and self-defense.  He taught me
> that
> > guns are not the way to resolve an argument.  This is what I teach and it
> > works.  The National Rifle Association (NRA) teaches the same thingb fun,
> > necessity, and self-defense.  While they hold that law-abiding citizens
> > should have guns if they want, the NRA does not propose the breaking of
> any
> > laws or arming people indiscriminately.
> [...]
>
> This has made me read up on the gun ownerships statistics:
>
>
>
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-
world-list
>
> For the most heavily armed nation in the world (88.8 firearms per
> 100), the stats for the USA are surprisingly good (2.97 firearm
> homicides per 100,000). Compared with, say South Africa (12 firearms
> per 100) but a firearm homicide rate of 17 per 100,000! And it gets
> worse if you look at Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica, etc.
>
> However, the quite well armed continental europeans and scandinavians
> have very good statistics. Switzerland, Finland, Serbia, Cyprus,
> Sweden, Norway, France, Austria, Germany all own at least 30 firearms
> per 100 but all have firearm homicide rates lower than 0.77 per
> 100,000, and some are much much lower (France?, Norway).
>
> What are they doing right?
>
> Cheers,
> Jonathan
>
> P.S. not convinced the stats above are all that solid. Another
> article, also on the Guardian web site puts the US firearm homicide rate at
> 10.2 per 100,000:
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/18/gun-ownership-gun-deaths-study
>
> --
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