http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/05/16/020516hngums.xml And I was just going to cut off the guy's thumb (or eye? Remember that stallone/snipes move where snipes uses that guy's eye to get into the lab?) -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Gary Nichols gary(AT)linuxforce.org http://www.linuxchimp.com