[SunHELP] Re:command info
ChrisBotha at CTNDDN
ChrisBotha at CTNDDN
Thu Mar 8 00:24:07 CST 2001
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sheshagiri Padmanabha Rao [mailto:sheshagiri.rao at wipro.com]
Sent: 08 March 2001 05:42
To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
Subject: [SunHELP] Re:command info
Hi
I want to know the command which gives the configuration of the
ethernetcard. for e.g.:: speed i.e. 10mbps or 10/100mbps, mode : simplex ,
half duplex etc.
The m/c in which i want to know the conf is used as router & i cant restart.
the system is I386 pentium 2. with solaris 2.6 Os.
shesh
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Date: Thursday, March 08, 2001 5:37 AM
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>Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: more handspring questions (Dale Ghent)
> 2. Re: IPSec and firewalls (Big Endian)
> 3. RE: Remote copy (Kovalev, Ivan)
> 4. RE: Accessing from windows network (Anthony Barnes)
> 5. WTD (UK): Sun Pizzabox case with PSU (to fit SS5) (Ian Chilton)
> 6. RE: Accessing from windows network (Wolfgang Engelien)
> 7. uptime (Vivas Inga, Yovana Mery)
> 8. rdate error message (william.x.ng at verizon.com)
> 9. Re: more handspring questions (-Mark-)
> 10. RE: slow telnet (Jon Still)
> 11. RE: IPSec and firewalls (Jon Still)
> 12. Need help with 8MM tape drive (me me)
> 13. Disaster Recovery in SUN (Balaji srinivasan)
> 14. Re: rdate error message (Doug McLaren)
> 15. RE: uptime (Kovalev, Ivan)
> 16. RE: IPSec and firewalls (blake.r.matheny at mail.sprint.com)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:55:18 -0500 (EST)
>From: Dale Ghent <daleg at elemental.org>
>To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>Subject: Re: [SunHELP] more handspring questions
>Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
>On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Brian Hechinger wrote:
>
>| i bet you guys wish i had never gotten this thing. :)
>|
>| ok, i'm looking for Quicken like financial software for my handspring. i
would
>| prefer (and again, i know this is a long shot) software that either does
it all
>| or has a "home" package that runs on solaris. does such a thing exist?
if not
>| maybe it's time for a project, judging from the extremely large amount of
very
>| crappy "script-kiddy" software available for the palmOS i'm assuming this
thing
>| can't be very hard to write software for, and i'm a somewhat competant C
>| programmer (i've mastered the art of writing bugs)
>
>I think you're better off asking this in a Handsprin/Palm-related mailing
>list.
>
>/dale
>
>
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:17:39 -0500
>To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>From: Big Endian <bigendian at mac.com>
>Subject: Re: [SunHELP] IPSec and firewalls
>Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
>>the current VPN at work does not allow me to get my job done from home. i
have
>>gotten the go ahead from work to setup an IPSec tunnel with the
understanding
>>that they will not modify their firewall at all. so, is this possible
given
>>the following setup:
>>
>>Solaris 8 machine at work, has complete access to the internet, does not
exist
>>on the internet, behind a firewall and NAT.
>>
>>Solaris 8 machine at home, sits behind an IPFILTER firewall/NAT box that i
can
>>configure any way i please (without comprimising security of course)
>>
>>i don't know a whole lot about IPSec, so, is it possible to have the
machine
>>at work initiate the tunnel so that it can get out of the firewall and
connect
>>to my home machine? on what port would it be connecting to so i can allow
>>a connection to that port and redirect it to the correct machine at home.
>>
>>thanks!!!!
>>
>>-brian
>>_______________________________________________
>>SunHELP maillist - SunHELP at sunhelp.org
>>http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sunhelp
>
>I use freeS/WAN (www.freeswan.org) here at the office as a vpn
>between our office and our hosting center. FreeS/WAN is a patch to
>the linux kernel that implements IPSec in kernel space.
>
>IPSec and NAT are ALMOST mutually incompatible. IPSec IKE (Internet
>Key Exchange) is on UDP/500 but that is only half the issue. The
>actually "tunnel" is actually an extra route that has to be added via
>the new ipsecX interface. The packets going out of the ipsec
>interface are encapsulated in an ip packet with a few options. The
>two major parts of IPSec are encryption and authentication. The
>encryption is done via ESP and the authentication can be done via AH
>or ESP. The encryption portion of ESP works OK with NAT however the
>authentication is md5 or sha1 signed portions of the packet's IP
>header. This means that when the NAT host modifies your packets the
>recieving host's authentication systems will reject them. I'm not
>sure about solaris 8 IPSec or even the various firewalling sofware
>you're using. If you're not a network person then I DON"T recommend
>the IETF docs. hope this helps.
>
>Daniel Mayfield
>
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>
>Message: 3
>From: "Kovalev, Ivan" <IKovalev at ibes.com>
>To: "'sunhelp at sunhelp.org'" <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
>Subject: RE: [SunHELP] Remote copy
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 11:25:26 -0500
>Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
>Only .rhosts file is a matter ( I assume you want to do user level
>equivalency, otherwise you should do hosts.equiv - not recommended). The
>entry in .rhosts should be fully qualified host name (you might need to
>check your /etc/hosts for that matter), otherwise you will get these
>messages.
>
>CNSOLE line in /etc/default/login will allow remote root login if it is
>commented out (not recommended), otherwise root will be allowed to login
>only on device to which console is pointing to.
>
>All of the above is for Solaris, but I am pretty sure it is the same for
>other flavors.
>
>Ivan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lund, Dennis [mailto:Dennis.Lund at sciatl.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 8:33 AM
>To: 'sunhelp at sunhelp.org'
>Subject: RE: [SunHELP] Remote copy
>
>
>
>Not sure about IRIX, but in Solaris I think in addition to the
>.rhosts/hosts.equiv
>entries you should also comment the "CONSOLE" line in /etc/default/login.
>
>If this line is not commented I thing the remote system still expects a
>password.
>Someone please correct me if I am not correct on this.
>
>Dennis L. Lund
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tope Songonuga [ mailto:tsongonuga at sevenww.co.uk
><mailto:tsongonuga at sevenww.co.uk> ]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 5:06 AM
>To: sunhelp
>Subject: [SunHELP] Remote copy
>
>
>Ideas, anyone! I'm a Unix newbie!
>
>I am trying to copy files from one server (running IRIX 6.2) to another as
a
>
>backup, using the rcp command, but I keep getting the error message
>'permission denied', even though I'm doing this as the superuser.
>
>I have checked both the .rhosts and hosts.equiv files and they seem ok.
>
>Is there anything else I should be looking at here?
>
>HELP!
>
>Thanks.
>
>Tope Songonuga
>Systems Administrator
>Seven WW-UK
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>Message: 4
>From: "Anthony Barnes" <tony.barnes at cimlinc.com>
>To: <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
>Subject: RE: [SunHELP] Accessing from windows network
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:13:01 -0600
>Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
>If your goal is to use your Ultra-10's as vanilla file servers Samba would
>be
>the way to go. It's a very useful and easy to use application. You should
>look into it.
>
>Tony Barnes
>Cimlinc, Inc.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sunhelp-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:sunhelp-admin at sunhelp.org]On
>Behalf Of Swamy_CNN at satyam-infoway.com
>Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:35 AM
>To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>Subject: [SunHELP] Accessing from windows network
>
>
>
>
>He,
> I have 2 ultra-10's with solaris-7, in a windows network. I can see
the
>solaris machine name in "network neighbourhood", if i try to access it's
>asking
>for a user name and pass. But it's not allowing with acces for any
user/pass
>of
>the solaris box. I want to use this solaris as some file server, i would
>like
>integrate with my NT domain users. How do i do this. I kinow this is
>possible
>with samba, but i'm not running any samba on that solaris box. help would
>appreciated...
>
>swamy
>
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:17:39 +0000
>From: Ian Chilton <ian at ichilton.co.uk>
>To: rescue at sunhelp.org, sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>Subject: [SunHELP] WTD (UK): Sun Pizzabox case with PSU (to fit SS5)
>Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
>Hello,
>
>Due to upgrading, I now have a spare SS5 motherboard with a 70Mhz CPU
>sat here spare. I would like to make this into a full machine.
>
>I am interested in any SS4/5 compatable parts that are going very cheap
>in the UK, but I am particularly interesting in a case with working
>PSU.
>
>A faulty SparcStation that still powers up would be ideal, if anyone
>has one.
>
>
>Please drop me a mail off-list at ian at ichilton.co.uk
>
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>Bye for Now,
>
>Ian
>
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 15:39:41 -0500
>To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>From: Wolfgang Engelien <wolfgang at hanazono.med.cornell.edu>
>Subject: RE: [SunHELP] Accessing from windows network
>Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
>BTW, I have samba 2.0.4b running and would like to get it to a
>more recent version. Is there a way to have a smooth transition,
>with a short service interruption in the order of 2-5 minutes?
>
>Thanks,
>Wolfgang
>>If your goal is to use your Ultra-10's as vanilla file servers Samba would
>>be
>>the way to go. It's a very useful and easy to use application. You
should
>>look into it.
>>
>>Tony Barnes
>>Cimlinc, Inc.
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: sunhelp-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:sunhelp-admin at sunhelp.org]On
>>Behalf Of Swamy_CNN at satyam-infoway.com
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:35 AM
>>To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>>Subject: [SunHELP] Accessing from windows network
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>He,
>> I have 2 ultra-10's with solaris-7, in a windows network. I can see
the
>>solaris machine name in "network neighbourhood", if i try to access it's
>>asking
>>for a user name and pass. But it's not allowing with acces for any
user/pass
>>of
>>the solaris box. I want to use this solaris as some file server, i would
>>like
>>integrate with my NT domain users. How do i do this. I kinow this is
>>possible
>>with samba, but i'm not running any samba on that solaris box. help would
>>appreciated...
>>
>>swamy
>>
>>
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>>http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sunhelp
>>
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>Message: 7
>From: "Vivas Inga, Yovana Mery" <yovana.vivas at attla.com>
>To: "'sunhelp at sunhelp.org'" <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:54:38 -0500
>Subject: [SunHELP] uptime
>Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
>Hi, can you explain me what exactly means the "average load of jobs y
queue"
>when you make: `uptime`
>hos1% uptime
> 10:03am up 8 day(s), 22:53, 4 users, load average: 0.02, 0.03, 0.03
>hos1%
>So how many jobs are really in queue?
>
>bye
>Mery
>
>
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>
>Message: 8
>From: william.x.ng at verizon.com
>To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:38:44 -0500
>Subject: [SunHELP] rdate error message
>Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
>
>All,
>Does anyone know when I tried to rdate <hostname>, I got following error
>messages:
>"Sorry, TCP protocol not in protocols database"
>Does anyone have an idea? They both run at 5.6 and user is root.
>
>Thanks
>William
>
>
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>
>Message: 9
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:02:37 -0800 (PST)
>From: -Mark- <n2jtw at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [SunHELP] more handspring questions
>To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org, wonko at entropy.tmok.com
>Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
>Quicken make a version called "Pocket Quicken" for the
>Palm devices. I have used it and it does what they
>say, but it didn't fit my needs.
>
>Mark
>
>--- Brian Hechinger <wonko at entropy.tmok.com> wrote:
>> i bet you guys wish i had never gotten this thing.
>> :)
>>
>> ok, i'm looking for Quicken like financial software
>> for my handspring. i would
>> prefer (and again, i know this is a long shot)
>> software that either does it all
>> or has a "home" package that runs on solaris. does
>> such a thing exist? if not
>> maybe it's time for a project, judging from the
>> extremely large amount of very
>> crappy "script-kiddy" software available for the
>> palmOS i'm assuming this thing
>> can't be very hard to write software for, and i'm a
>> somewhat competant C
>> programmer (i've mastered the art of writing bugs)
>>
>> let me know what you guys are familiar with.
>>
>> thanks!!
>>
>> -brian
>> _______________________________________________
>> SunHELP maillist - SunHELP at sunhelp.org
>> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sunhelp
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>Message: 10
>From: "Jon Still" <jon at tertial.org>
>To: <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
>Subject: RE: [SunHELP] slow telnet
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:46:28 -0000
>Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
>> I am using telnet to access solaris machines over vpn and the response
time
>> is not too interactive friendly. I have tried many different telnet
clients
>> but recieve the same results. What's really strange is I am using an
eXceed
>> 3270 connection to connect to a mainframe and the response time is
lightning
>> fast. Looking at the settings, this 3270 connection is also using telnet
to
>> connect.
>
>You have to remember that telnet itself is a character-by-character
protocol.
>Typically, 1 TCP packet is sent per character typed. OTOH, 3270 terminals
work
>in screen-at-a-time mode. A full page of information is built up on the
client,
>and some of the form validation and interactivity is done on the 3270
terminal,
>and then the entire page transmitted in 1 fell sweep. This *could* be a
cause
>of your problems.
>
>J.
>
>--
>Jon Still E-mail: jon at tertial.org
>System Administrator Web: http://www.tertial.org/
>tertial.org
>
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>Message: 11
>From: "Jon Still" <jon at tertial.org>
>To: <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
>Subject: RE: [SunHELP] IPSec and firewalls
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:46:29 -0000
>Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
>> i don't know a whole lot about IPSec, so, is it possible to have the
machine
>> at work initiate the tunnel so that it can get out of the firewall and
connect
>> to my home machine? on what port would it be connecting to so i can
allow
>> a connection to that port and redirect it to the correct machine at home.
>
>It's been a while since I touched IPSEC, but ISTR that it uses a totally
>different IP type (i.e. not TCP nor UDP) called ESP (Encapsulated Payload).
It
>will be this that you need to forward at your firewall to your solaris
machine.
>As to how you'd go about doing this - I'm afraid I haven't got a clue!
>
>I suppose if the IPSEC doesn't work out so good, you could always try the
PPP
>over SSH -style kludge.
>
>J.
>
>--
>Jon Still E-mail: jon at tertial.org
>System Administrator Web: http://www.tertial.org/
>tertial.org
>
>
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>
>Message: 12
>From: "me me" <compquestion at hotmail.com>
>To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 21:36:11 -0000
>Subject: [SunHELP] Need help with 8MM tape drive
>Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
>Hello all,
> I have an internal 8MM tape drive on an E250, running Solaris 7. I have
>heard that there is a patch out there tht will increase the backup capacity
>of the tape unit. Is this true? If so, please let me know the patch #. I
>know there is a compression option, but I am looking beyond that.
> Also, is there a way to get info about the unit form the OS point of
view
>(size, capacity, etc...) TIA.
>_________________________________________________________________
>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>
>
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>
>Message: 13
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:53:53 -0800 (PST)
>From: Balaji srinivasan <chennai_dude at excite.com>
>To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>Subject: [SunHELP] Disaster Recovery in SUN
>Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
>Hi Admins,
> Does SUN have any tool that's inbuilt for any disaster
recovery.
>Say in AIX you have mksysb(which backsup rootvg) anything in SUN in similar
>lines.
>
>Your valuable feedback and suggestions are welcome.
>
>Thanks,
>Balaji
>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 14
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:57:12 -0600
>From: Doug McLaren <dougmc at frenzy.com>
>To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>Subject: Re: [SunHELP] rdate error message
>Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
>On Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 03:38:44PM -0500, william.x.ng at verizon.com wrote:
>
>| Does anyone know when I tried to rdate <hostname>, I got following error
>| messages:
>| "Sorry, TCP protocol not in protocols database"
>| Does anyone have an idea? They both run at 5.6 and user is root.
>
>The error message basically means that it tried to find the protocol
>number for TCP and failed.
>
>This information is located in /etc/protocols, and this file is very
>rarely touched.
>
>If this file is messed up, just about everything that uses the network
>will stop working (unless they've hardcoded the appropriate values,
>which is possible.)
>
>It's also possible that /etc/nsswitch.conf is telling it to go to NIS
>for the protocol information and that is what's messed up.
>
>You may want to use `truss' on rdate and see exactly what it's
>accessing to get to this point.
>
>--
>Doug McLaren, dougmc at frenzy.com
Aaaalllllrightythen!
>
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>
>Message: 15
>From: "Kovalev, Ivan" <IKovalev at ibes.com>
>To: "'sunhelp at sunhelp.org'" <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
>Subject: RE: [SunHELP] uptime
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:09:53 -0500
>Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
>It is average number of processes (jobs) in a run queue (how many jobs are
>running now) for 1, 5 and 15 minutes. If you need up to the second
snapshot,
>do vmstat 1, watch for first column (ignore first line). This number
>shouldn't go higher then 4-5 jobs per CPU.
>
>Looking at your output, you had 2/100 of a job for last minute. That means
>your machine is doing nothing and for about 50 minutes you will see all 0's
>in run queue.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Vivas Inga, Yovana Mery [mailto:yovana.vivas at attla.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 10:55 AM
>To: 'sunhelp at sunhelp.org'
>Subject: [SunHELP] uptime
>
>
>Hi, can you explain me what exactly means the "average load of jobs y
queue"
>when you make: `uptime`
>hos1% uptime
> 10:03am up 8 day(s), 22:53, 4 users, load average: 0.02, 0.03, 0.03
>hos1%
>So how many jobs are really in queue?
>
>bye
>Mery
>
>_______________________________________________
>SunHELP maillist - SunHELP at sunhelp.org
>http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sunhelp
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>Message: 16
>From: blake.r.matheny at mail.sprint.com
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:18:38 -0600
>Subject: RE: [SunHELP] IPSec and firewalls
>TO: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>Reply-To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
>
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>There is a possibility. As far as I know as long as the client is only
>using ESP (rfc 2406) you should be fine. If the client is using AH (rfc
>2402) it can't work because AH guarantees packet integrity, using NAT
>in this configuration breaks it. I'm still not convinced it will work,
>because without being able to modify the firewall at all you can not
>set up NAPT so ESP shouldn't work either. I would say NO, but I can't
>think of a 100% way that it wouldn't work.
>-Blake
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jon [mailto:jon at tertial.org]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 10:46 AM
>To: sunhelp
>Cc: jon
>Subject: RE: [SunHELP] IPSec and firewalls
>
>
>> i don't know a whole lot about IPSec, so, is it possible to have the
>machine
>> at work initiate the tunnel so that it can get out of the firewall
>and connect
>> to my home machine? on what port would it be connecting to so i can
>allow
>> a connection to that port and redirect it to the correct machine at
>home.
>
>It's been a while since I touched IPSEC, but ISTR that it uses a totally
>different IP type (i.e. not TCP nor UDP) called ESP (Encapsulated
>Payload). It
>will be this that you need to forward at your firewall to your solaris
>machine.
>As to how you'd go about doing this - I'm afraid I haven't got a clue!
>
>I suppose if the IPSEC doesn't work out so good, you could always try
>the PPP
>over SSH -style kludge.
>
>J.
>
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