From Clive Tue Oct 31 19:18:54 2000 From: Clive (Clive) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:18:54 -0500 Subject: [SPARCbook] Re: For Sale: 2 x SB2 UPDATE Message-ID: <004101c043a1$b3dbdc60$e9f37ad1@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C04377.CA7665A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable UPDATE The one has a 324MB and a 205MB HDD, the other has a 205MB HDD Both have 32MB memory ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C04377.CA7665A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

UPDATE

The one has a 324MB and a 205MB HDD, the other has a = 205MB=20 HDD
Both have 32MB memory
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C04377.CA7665A0-- From Clive Sun Oct 29 08:45:35 2000 From: Clive (Clive) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:45:35 -0500 Subject: [SPARCbook] For Sale: 2 x SB2 Message-ID: <002701c041b6$e5ede3c0$a7d0a4d8@oemcomputer> FOR SALE 2 x SPARCBook 2 ( one doesn't have a battery door ) 2 x battery chargers, 3 x batteries, 1 x Solaris 2.4 CD for SPARCBook Version C.0.2, 2 x mains power adaptors, 1 x original SPARCBook carry case, 2 x short SCSI cables for the SPARCBooks, 2 x MII Ethernet tranceivers ( 10BaseT ) Various books and manuals Both boot to the "boot prompt" and pass the system diagnostics. I don't have an external CDROM to reload the OS. Offers for the lot ? From Clive Sun Oct 29 17:54:01 2000 From: Clive (Clive) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:54:01 -0500 Subject: [SPARCbook] Re: For Sale: 2 x SB2 References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001029123213.009ea830@postoffice.pacbell.net> Message-ID: <001b01c04203$83d84de0$52d0a4d8@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C041D9.9A52CC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry Patrick, I need to sell the whole lot in one go. - Clive ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Patrick Kelly=20 To: clivemc at usa.net ; sparcbook at sunhelp.org=20 Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 3:38 PM Subject: For Sale: 2 x SB2 Clive, I'm interested in the SCSI cables, battery charger and a couple of the = batteries if they're compatible with the SPARCbook 3GX. Are you = interested in selling items individually? Patrick 'Tis hope, if all, that we recall Deprived of lasting peace, Contempt the martyr of our cause So eloquent with grief. For Irelands' trouble's lasting As tomorrows weary eye Embarks its voyage of triumph Amongst the catastrophes we die. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C041D9.9A52CC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Sorry Patrick, I need to sell the whole lot in one=20 go.
 
 - Clive
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Patrick Kelly
To: clivemc at usa.net ; sparcbook at sunhelp.org
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 = 3:38=20 PM
Subject: For Sale: 2 x = SB2

Clive,

I'm interested in the SCSI cables, = battery=20 charger and a couple of the batteries if they're compatible with the = SPARCbook=20 3GX. Are you interested in selling items=20 individually?

Patrick

'Tis = hope, if all,=20 that we recall
Deprived of lasting peace,
Contempt the martyr of = our=20 cause
So eloquent with grief.
For Irelands' trouble's = lasting
As=20 tomorrows weary eye
Embarks its voyage of triumph
Amongst the=20 catastrophes we die.

------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C041D9.9A52CC00-- From helsod at algonet.se Sun Oct 1 12:17:42 2000 From: helsod at algonet.se (Peter Soderholm) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 19:17:42 +0200 Subject: [SPARCbook] New SB with Solaris 2.5 - What should i backup Message-ID: Hi everybody ! Now I have finally become the proud owner of a Sparcbook after lurking on this list for so long. It is a 3GX with 32M and 2G drive. It came with everything working, Solaris 2.5 and NCE installed, with OpenWindows, not CDE (I dont think I care to install that either). Network cable and external monitor cable, networking seems to work fine, the modem also. Its a really cute litle machine, beautiful brilliant display, in a sort of tiny way. Its a litle like the same feeling you get with the Libretto, its a complete workstation that looks like it has schrunk... There was an OS CD with 2.5 HW 1/96. I did an install of it on an external drive and it seems to work, but it does not have the Tadpole stuff (that I ca find anyway) I figured I might create a bootable copy of the OS on the external drive and then change the ID, mount it on some directory booting the original disk and then copy over all the Tadpole stuff, including NCE to create a complete backup of my system which I could then keep in a safe place. The question now is which directories/ parts of the original drive must i copy to the external drive? Where is NCE located? I may start with the frame buffer drivers to get openwindows to work. Where do I find those (I never had a reason to know how this worked since it always worked out of the box on my previous Solaris installations). Are ther any list of where the different Tadpole files are located (it didnt appear to be in the faq). I would be most thankeful for any help on this, I will have to thread lightly and wount be able to experiement so much before I have this secured. By the way, is there a Java version available for 2.5, and what about patches for Solaris 7, have anyone heard anything about whether they will be put on the ftp site anytime soon. (more questions will surely follow : -) Thanks Peter Soderholm From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Mon Oct 2 09:04:40 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:04:40 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] New SB with Solaris 2.5 - What should i backup Message-ID: I would simply backup the entire HD and be done with it. The cheapest way would be to go out and get/buy/make a 4 Gig ext. HD, then build a few partitions on it. Backup the HD to one partition and don't touch it, then create a living backup directory, where you can dump the entire HD (2 Gig) as you use the system. Later on, when you feel the need for a larger drive, well, you already have the hardest part, the SCSI-IDE adapter, so you can go out and get a large 2.5" notebook HD (6.4 Gig is a popular size, bigger may be possible) and then restore onto your new drive. I doubt that your drive has copies of the NCE tools install images, but I could be wrong. I installed Solaris 2.6, the Sun cluster patch, the the tadpole bits, then the patches to those bits, and am very happy with my setup. I don't miss NCE, but I never really used it anyway... As for SOlaris 7 bits, Tadpole reported they would be releasing that software around the end of the year, and I have not heard anything since... I am sure this has to do with their current (paying) customer base and the OS they want supported on their SPARCbooks. When the revenue stream dries up for their Solaris 7 support, that is probably when the bits will be made available. But Solaris 2.6 works great for me, but my needs aren't really too demanding. BTW, I have had SETI at Home running on my SPARCbook 3GX, and the times are, well, interesting - seems like a bit over 60 hours per "chunk." Wow. Reminds me of my P/75 that took days to complete a chunk as well... Longer than 2, IIRC. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Soderholm" To: Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 1:17 PM Subject: [SPARCbook] New SB with Solaris 2.5 - What should i backup > Hi everybody ! > > Now I have finally become the proud owner of a Sparcbook after lurking on this list for so long. > It is a 3GX with 32M and 2G drive. It came with everything working, Solaris 2.5 and NCE installed, > with OpenWindows, not CDE (I dont think I care to install that either). Network cable and external monitor cable, > networking seems to work fine, the modem also. Its a really cute litle machine, beautiful brilliant display, in a sort of tiny way. > Its a litle like the same feeling you get with the Libretto, its a complete workstation that looks like it has schrunk... > > There was an OS CD with 2.5 HW 1/96. I did an install of it on an external drive and it seems to work, but it does > not have the Tadpole stuff (that I ca find anyway) > > I figured I might create a bootable copy of the OS on the external drive and then change the ID, mount it on some directory booting the original disk and then copy over all the Tadpole stuff, including NCE to create a complete backup of my system which I could then keep in a safe place. > > The question now is which directories/ parts of the original drive must i copy to the external drive? Where is NCE located? > > I may start with the frame buffer drivers to get openwindows to work. Where do I find those (I never had a reason to know how this worked since it always worked out of the box on my previous Solaris installations). > Are ther any list of where the different Tadpole files are located (it didnt appear to be in the faq). > > I would be most thankeful for any help on this, I will have to thread lightly and wount be able to experiement so much before I have this secured. > > By the way, is there a Java version available for 2.5, and what about patches for Solaris 7, have anyone heard anything about whether they will be put on the ftp site anytime soon. > > (more questions will surely follow : -) > > Thanks > Peter Soderholm > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > From mmdst23+ at pitt.edu Mon Oct 2 16:03:04 2000 From: mmdst23+ at pitt.edu (Michael M Delaney) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 17:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] 3GX + Jazz drive? Message-ID: Hi, can a 3GX use an external scsi jazz drive? Thanks, Mike From ltemplin at leonine.com Mon Oct 2 16:14:12 2000 From: ltemplin at leonine.com (Lion Templin) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:14:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] 3GX + Jazz drive? Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Michael M Delaney wrote: > Hi, > can a 3GX use an external scsi jazz drive? Yes .. :) Worked just fine for me. Just don't use it in the car, the Jaz is too sensitive and could break easily. I know from experiance .. :) Lion = lion is Lion J Templin (KB9ENE) lion at leonine.com = = || // ||> UNIX Systems Consulting for the = = ||=EONINE \\OMPUTATIONAL ||\ESOURCES Northland FROM the Northland = = UNIX Systems Consultants http://www.leonine.com = From bkrose at bkrose.com Mon Oct 2 23:47:35 2000 From: bkrose at bkrose.com (Tai Wyatt) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:47:35 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] SPARCBook 3LC Message-ID: Hi everyone, Does anyone have SPARCBook parts for sale? Hard / Floppy Drives, Power Supply, Cabling, etc. Thanks in advance, Tai From mrbill at mrbill.net Tue Oct 3 01:05:56 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:05:56 -0500 Subject: [SPARCbook] SPARCBook 3LC Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 12:47:35AM -0400, Tai Wyatt wrote: > Hi everyone, > Does anyone have SPARCBook parts for sale? Hard / Floppy Drives, Power > Supply, Cabling, etc. > Thanks in advance, > Tai See www.sunhelp.org/sbparts.php3 - straight from Tadpole. (I just post the list for them) Bill -- Bill Bradford * KD5LQR mrbill at mrbill.net Austin, TX From ml at rz.uni-potsdam.de Tue Oct 3 06:01:02 2000 From: ml at rz.uni-potsdam.de (Michael Lorenz) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:01:02 +0200 Subject: [SPARCbook] 3GX + Jazz drive? Message-ID: Greetings ! > Hi, > can a 3GX use an external scsi jazz drive? In theory - yes, the machine should handle it just like any other changeable media device. But Solaris ( at least on the SPARCbook ) seems to strongly dislike any Iomega drives, seems to be a problem with the SCSI floppy driver, YMMV. I would give it a try, the worst thing that can happen to you is a hard freeze which goes away after disconnecting the drive and rebooting. bye Michael From iws at tadpole.co.uk Tue Oct 3 06:04:35 2000 From: iws at tadpole.co.uk (Ian Spray) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:04:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SPARCbook] 3GX + Jazz drive? Message-ID: On 03-Oct-00 Michael Lorenz wrote: > In theory - yes, the machine should handle it just like any other > changeable media device. But Solaris ( at least on the SPARCbook ) seems > to strongly dislike any Iomega drives, seems to be a problem with the > SCSI floppy driver, YMMV. > The default SB config is to attach the floppy driver to anything at SCSI id 5 - either remove the floppy driver from that ID, or change the SCSI id of the offending drive, and the drive should look like a normal h/d. HTH, -- Ian Spray : Software Engineer : Tadpole-RDI iws at tadpole.co.uk : +44 (0) 1223 428 224 : http://www.tadpole.com/ From crapguy1 at netscape.net Wed Oct 4 08:55:20 2000 From: crapguy1 at netscape.net (Dell Adams) Date: 4 Oct 00 06:55:20 PDT Subject: [SPARCbook] Need Floppy! Message-ID: List; Recently got a Sparcbook 3xp, wihtout a floppy ! Has anyone out there got one for sale ? Contact : crapguy1 at netscape.net Thanks for your time, Dell ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From mmdst23+ at pitt.edu Wed Oct 4 10:50:14 2000 From: mmdst23+ at pitt.edu (Michael M Delaney) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] Help with sys-unconfig Message-ID: Hi, I (finally) got a 3com net card that will work in my 3GX. The manual said I needed to change something in the bootup config to get it to use a pcmcia net card instead of the onboard. What do I need to change, I've been playing with it for a while (and am not late for class :), but I can't find it. Thanks, Mike From sunder at sunder.net Wed Oct 4 11:55:50 2000 From: sunder at sunder.net (sunder) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:55:50 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] How to Install/clone to a new hard drive Message-ID: Hey guys, I went to that thread and kicked myself for not checking email in a few days. I know you've solved your problem, but here's my two cents. :) Basically the solution is simple. You have to use the format command. The first time you run format on a SCSI disk that has been setup already for Pee Cee's, you'll have to do a destructive analysis. So, run format, select the new disk, then type in format. This will do a low level scsi format and also check the media for errors which is always a good thing. The dd if=/dev/zer0 stuff will work -- IF Solaris recognizes the drive. Which it likely won't if the disk has been previously partitioned for a Pee Cee or a Mac. So again, "format format" is your friend. :) Then, once "formatted" you can run the label command. Then run installboot like this: installboot /usr/platform/`uname -i`/lib/fs/ufs/bootblk /dev/rdsk/c?t?d?s0 For a quick clone - i.e. the two drives are of the same size, just copy slice two. (If you run format, then select partition, then print, you'll notice that slice two always starts at cylinder zero and ends at the end of the drive. It's also tagged "Backup". This is so you can do an image backup of your disk to tape or another disk, which is what you'll want to do now.) Otherwise, you'll have to copy every single slice by hand. i.e.: dd if=/dev/c0t0d0s2 of=/dev/c0t3d0s2 and this should include the partition table as well as all the slices (but not the boot block.) So again: #format {Select the disk} format {wait a few hours} label quit #installboot /usr/platform/`uname -i`/lib/fs/ufs/bootblk /dev/rdsk/c?t?d?s0 #dd if=/dev/dsk/c0t0d0s2 of=/dev/dsk/c?t?d?s2 bs=512 Replace the question marks with the appropriate paths. For those of you who don't know what this c0t0d0s0 business is all about, c0 stands for controller zero, t0 stands for target zero (i.e. scsi id zero) d0 stands for disk zero (this is the LUN of the disk, or the logical unit number*), s0 stands for slice zero (aka partition zero.) (* LUN's aren't used any more, except maybe for multi cd changers. See back in the bad early days, when scsi was new, you could buy a controller that would look like a scsi drive to a scsi controller, but would connect to one or more RLL or MFM disks. You could access the whole thing by the target ID, and access each individual disk inside it by it's LUN. LUN's aren't used that much anymore.) (Actually, if you want it to go much faster, change the block size to something huge, but a multiple of 512. i.e. bs=65536 would do 64k chunks at a time.) If you get errors, go back to something like 512 or 1024 or 2048, etc. In the case of using a larget block size, what happens is that you're buffering more blocks in ram, so you can speed things up a bit. Now, you can't use dd if your drives are of different sizes!!! If you want to keep some of the partititions the same, by all means, you can create them with the format command. Type in format, then parition and then select the slice by its number. Type in the sizes you need - these must match the existing ones. Then you can dd each slice, one at a time. If you're interested in having more free space on the new disk, say the disk is bigger, or have lots of free space on the old disk, and want to use up a smaller partition, etc. you can use tar or ufsdump and ufsrestore. The problem with tar is that it can cross mount points, so do this in single user mode, and mount each slice to say, /tmp/mnt1 and mount the new slice on the target drive to /tmp/mnt2 then do this: cd /tmp/mnt1; tar cpf - | (cd /tmp/mnt2; tar xpf -) If you want to see the progress (this slows it down a lot, change the xpf - to xvpf -) To use ufsdump (this is off the top of my head, so it might be a bit off) cd /tmp/mnt1; ufsdump 0f- /dev/rdsk/c0t0d0s? | (cd /tmp/mnt2/; ufsrestore rf- ) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ where this is the source fs You can also play with cpio if you like it. :) -- ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_ at _sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Wed Oct 4 17:42:56 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:42:56 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] Need Floppy! Message-ID: Sorry, but why do you want it? Just curious... Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dell Adams" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:55 AM Subject: [SPARCbook] Need Floppy! > List; > > Recently got a Sparcbook 3xp, wihtout a floppy ! Has anyone out there got one > for sale ? Contact : crapguy1 at netscape.net Thanks for your time, Dell > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook From rainer at canavan.de Thu Oct 5 17:52:18 2000 From: rainer at canavan.de (Rainer Canavan) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 00:52:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [SPARCbook] New SB with Solaris 2.5 - What should i backup Message-ID: [...] > There was an OS CD with 2.5 HW 1/96. I did an install of it on an external > drive and it seems to work, but it does not have the Tadpole stuff (that I > ca find anyway) [...] > The question now is which directories/ parts of the original drive must i > copy to the external drive? Where is NCE located? [...] Hmmm... As a general solution, It would be interesting to reverse-engineer pkg files and patches from the filesystem and the package database. With all the relevant files beeing text only, there _must_ be a perl script out there that does this - but i failed to locate one so far. If there isn't one already: Anyone interested in writing one? (It should really be rather trivial once you look at the files in /var/sadm/ and the pkg building info on sunfreeware.com) Rainer From mmdst23+ at pitt.edu Fri Oct 6 10:04:17 2000 From: mmdst23+ at pitt.edu (Michael M Delaney) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 11:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] Network Solaris install with pcmcia Message-ID: Is their any way to totally re-install solaris using my pcmcia card? I dont know what I did, but after installing some of the tadpole patches (that would hopefully have gotten my 3com card working), I broke something, and solaris won't boot anymore, it just brings me to the bootup menu like it does if you do a sys-unconfigure. Am I stuck trying to find a cd drive (which took me a while last time I needed one), or can I use a bootdisk and get pcmcia working? (BTW, the person who owned it before I did had a very messed up minimal install, no man pages, no ppp, probally missing a lot of other stuff, if I had a full one I probally wouln't have gotten myself into this mess in the first place ) Thanks, Mike From bkrose at bkrose.com Sat Oct 7 16:53:47 2000 From: bkrose at bkrose.com (Tai) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 17:53:47 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] Tadpole NCE Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C03087.8B2BDE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,, Does anyone have Tadpole's NCE suite hanging around? Thanks, Tai ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C03087.8B2BDE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,,
Does anyone have Tadpole's NCE = suite hanging=20 around?
 
Thanks,
 
Tai
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C03087.8B2BDE00-- From mmdst23+ at pitt.edu Sat Oct 7 17:28:02 2000 From: mmdst23+ at pitt.edu (Michael M Delaney) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 18:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] Booting off a cdrom or floppy Message-ID: Is it possible to boot solaris 2.5.1 off the floppy? I tried booting it off a cd, but the drive i borrowed from a friend is really old (scsi 10, and it dosent have the drive speed marked on it, so its possibley even a 1x drive. Whenever I try to boot off of it, using "boot -SVR", I get errors like "unexpected data phase". Is their any way to get it to boor properly, or to get it to boot of the pcmcia net card? Thanks, Mikex From bkrose at bkrose.com Sat Oct 7 17:53:46 2000 From: bkrose at bkrose.com (Tai Wyatt) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:53:46 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] Booting off a cdrom or floppy Message-ID: Hi, It might be the drive's termination settings. Do you have internal or external termination settings on the drive? Or do you have a physical SCSI terminator connected to the drive? Tai -----Original Message----- From: sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org]On Behalf Of Michael M Delaney Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 6:28 PM To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org Subject: [SPARCbook] Booting off a cdrom or floppy Is it possible to boot solaris 2.5.1 off the floppy? I tried booting it off a cd, but the drive i borrowed from a friend is really old (scsi 10, and it dosent have the drive speed marked on it, so its possibley even a 1x drive. Whenever I try to boot off of it, using "boot -SVR", I get errors like "unexpected data phase". Is their any way to get it to boor properly, or to get it to boot of the pcmcia net card? Thanks, Mikex _______________________________________________ Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook From Hugo.van.der.Kooij at caiw.nl Sun Oct 8 01:40:27 2000 From: Hugo.van.der.Kooij at caiw.nl (Hugo.van.der.Kooij at caiw.nl) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 08:40:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [SPARCbook] Booting off a cdrom or floppy Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Oct 2000, Michael M Delaney wrote: > Is it possible to boot solaris 2.5.1 off the floppy? I tried booting it > off a cd, but the drive i borrowed from a friend is really old (scsi 10, > and it dosent have the drive speed marked on it, so its possibley even a > 1x drive. Whenever I try to boot off of it, using "boot -SVR", I get > errors like "unexpected data phase". Is their any way to get it to boor > properly, or to get it to boot of the pcmcia net card? Make sure you got the drive setup ok. - SCSI bus is correct - SCSI ID 6 - Compatible CDROM (Either SUN or one that understands the SUN blocksize like Plextor) Then I would type 'boot cdrom'. (Note there is a FAQ dedicated to CDROM's on SUN.) Hugo. -- Hugo van der Kooij; Oranje Nassaustraat 16; 3155 VJ Maasland hvdkooij at caiw.nl http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/ -------------------------------------------------------------- Quoting this tagline is illegal! (http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html) From mmdst23+ at pitt.edu Sun Oct 8 12:10:55 2000 From: mmdst23+ at pitt.edu (Michael M Delaney) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 13:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] Booting off a cdrom or floppy Message-ID: I have done all of that, and I think that my model cdrom drive isn't a compadable blocksize. Its really old, and it dosent say what speed it is, so its possibly even a 1x drive. I think tomorrow I can borrow a cdrom that works on my computer though. Thanks, Mike On Sun, 8 Oct 2000 Hugo.van.der.Kooij at caiw.nl wrote: > On Sat, 7 Oct 2000, Michael M Delaney wrote: > > > Is it possible to boot solaris 2.5.1 off the floppy? I tried booting it > > off a cd, but the drive i borrowed from a friend is really old (scsi 10, > > and it dosent have the drive speed marked on it, so its possibley even a > > 1x drive. Whenever I try to boot off of it, using "boot -SVR", I get > > errors like "unexpected data phase". Is their any way to get it to boor > > properly, or to get it to boot of the pcmcia net card? > > Make sure you got the drive setup ok. > - SCSI bus is correct > - SCSI ID 6 > - Compatible CDROM (Either SUN or one that understands the SUN blocksize > like Plextor) > > Then I would type 'boot cdrom'. (Note there is a FAQ dedicated to CDROM's > on SUN.) > > Hugo. > > -- > Hugo van der Kooij; Oranje Nassaustraat 16; 3155 VJ Maasland > hvdkooij at caiw.nl http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/ > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Quoting this tagline is illegal! (http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html) > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > From cosmos at hepcat.org Sun Oct 8 15:52:09 2000 From: cosmos at hepcat.org (Daniel Leeds) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:52:09 -0700 Subject: [SPARCbook] OWN A PIECE OF EFNET HISTORY NOW! Message-ID: ready to own your own piece of EFNET history and be the coolest geek on your block? well bid now on the infamous www.feedbill.org website! it's waiting for you... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=462471096 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= cosmos "What do both Linux and it's at users share in common? hepcat.org Both were created after 1990." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From troehr at nj-onramp.com Mon Oct 9 22:20:59 2000 From: troehr at nj-onramp.com (Thomas Roehr) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 23:20:59 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] Linux users??? Message-ID: I am curious how many in the group are using Linux on their SparcBooks. Tom Roehr troehr at nj-onramp.com From mike.whooley at 247media.com Mon Oct 9 22:55:15 2000 From: mike.whooley at 247media.com (Michael Whooley) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:55:15 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] AC adapter for sparcbook 3 Message-ID: Hello, Does anyone know where I can get a new AC adapter and battery for my Sparcbook 3 ? Thanks very much for any info, Mike From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Tue Oct 10 00:54:14 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 01:54:14 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] Q: Ethernet adapters for SPARCbook 3GX... Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0163_01C0325C.FDD18280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Has anyone tried any 3Com XJack 10 Mb/s cards in their SPARCbooks? I = have a source for low-cost cards ($20/each), and think that they might = be a good idea for ethernet access without carrying the cable, and AUI I = presently need... I'll probably get one for another laptop, but I wanted = to ask here first... I'd like to avoid the dongle 3Com cards, though I do know they work... I'm running Solaris 2.6 on my SPARCbook(s!). Thanks, Ken ------=_NextPart_000_0163_01C0325C.FDD18280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
    Has anyone tried any = 3Com XJack=20 10 Mb/s cards in their SPARCbooks? I have a source for low-cost cards=20 ($20/each), and think that they might be a good idea for ethernet access = without=20 carrying the cable, and AUI I presently need... I'll probably get one = for=20 another laptop, but I wanted to ask here first...
 
I'd like to avoid the dongle 3Com = cards, though I=20 do know they work...
 
I'm running Solaris 2.6 on my=20 SPARCbook(s!).
 
Thanks,
 
Ken
------=_NextPart_000_0163_01C0325C.FDD18280-- From ml at rz.uni-potsdam.de Tue Oct 10 01:36:51 2000 From: ml at rz.uni-potsdam.de (Michael Lorenz) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:36:51 +0200 Subject: [SPARCbook] Linux users??? Message-ID: Greetings ! > I am curious how many in the group are using Linux on their SparcBooks. I don't - for some obvious reasons: - power management. Linux doesn't clock down the processor when it goes too hot - ISDN. No driver for the DBRI. - audio was in development, don't know it's current state - the framebuffer operates in dumb mode only as far as I know, no acceleration for X - difficulties with the keyboard stick which seems to use a slightly different protocol than Sun mice. PCMCIA is no great priority for me - I simply can't imagine what card I could use whose functionality isn't already built in. The internal modem would be nice but I have ISDN, so what. All of the above may be somewhat outdated and if anyone could prove me wrong there I would certainly like it :-) have fun Michael From mmdst23+ at pitt.edu Tue Oct 10 08:00:40 2000 From: mmdst23+ at pitt.edu (Michael M Delaney) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] Solaris 2.5.1? Message-ID: Hi, I'm wondering if pcmcia works on Sparcbook 3GX's with solaris 2.5.1? When I put on a couple of the Tadpole patches last week, it decided it didn't like to boot, and today I am finally going to be able to get access to an external scsi cd drive. Will i be able to get a pcmcia 3com net card working in 2.5.1, or should I wait untill I can install solaris 2.6? Thanks, Mike From mmdst23+ at pitt.edu Tue Oct 10 08:38:49 2000 From: mmdst23+ at pitt.edu (Michael M Delaney) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] another question about Solaris 2.5.1? Message-ID: Will any Solaris/Sparc 2.5.1 cd work, or do I need a special cd from Tadpole? Thanks, Mike From wedge at lightlink.com Tue Oct 10 09:09:21 2000 From: wedge at lightlink.com (Matthew Haas) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] Linux users??? Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Thomas Roehr wrote: > > I am curious how many in the group are using Linux on their SparcBooks. > I originally gave Debian a shot on my 3GX, but *QUICKLY* switched to NetBSD because of a rather complete lack of power management. In the long run I wouldn't mind running Linux on my SPARCbook (when it gets necessary support) in a dual/triple boot scenario along with NetBSD and SunOS... But now, unless I missed some major announcement, Linux lacks power management, PCMCIA, video support, modem, probably serial & ISDN support for the SPARCbooks (due to proprietary stuff)... in fact, aside from getting into text mode, it probably has decent sound support (as the sound chip is the same type (I believe) as in the LX, which I readily enjoy audio on under Linux). I found NetBSD and OpenBSD to be VERY accomodating to the incoming Linux user... originally being a Slackware Linux user, I felt very much at home with these *BSDs. ----|||------------------------------------------------------------- - ||| Atari 8-bit! Star Wars * SPARCbook 3GX * SUMMER!! - - ||| 400/800/XL/XE Battlestar: Galactica * SPARC * Linux - - | | | | | 2600/5200/7800 NetBSD1.4.2 * StarTrek * Galaga * SCSI - - || | || Lynx/Jaguar Star Raiders * Descent * Voltron * UNIX - -------------------------------------------------------------------- From mike.whooley at 247media.com Tue Oct 10 10:01:56 2000 From: mike.whooley at 247media.com (Michael Whooley) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:01:56 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] another question about Solaris 2.5.1? Message-ID: Hello, I belive there are packages from the original Tadpole CD that are needed for the sparcbook display. I have a copy of the original 2.5.1 cd. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Michael M Delaney [mailto:mmdst23+ at pitt.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 9:39 AM To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org Subject: [SPARCbook] another question about Solaris 2.5.1? Will any Solaris/Sparc 2.5.1 cd work, or do I need a special cd from Tadpole? Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook From bkrose at bkrose.com Tue Oct 10 11:33:12 2000 From: bkrose at bkrose.com (Tai Wyatt) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:33:12 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] another question about Solaris 2.5.1? Message-ID: Are you selling it? Tai -----Original Message----- From: sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org]On Behalf Of Michael Whooley Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 11:02 AM To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org Subject: RE: [SPARCbook] another question about Solaris 2.5.1? Hello, I belive there are packages from the original Tadpole CD that are needed for the sparcbook display. I have a copy of the original 2.5.1 cd. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: Michael M Delaney [mailto:mmdst23+ at pitt.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 9:39 AM To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org Subject: [SPARCbook] another question about Solaris 2.5.1? Will any Solaris/Sparc 2.5.1 cd work, or do I need a special cd from Tadpole? Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook _______________________________________________ Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook From bkrose at bkrose.com Tue Oct 10 11:33:20 2000 From: bkrose at bkrose.com (Tai Wyatt) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:33:20 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] AC adapter for sparcbook 3 Message-ID: Try this link. http://www.sunhelp.org/sbparts.php3 Tai -----Original Message----- From: sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org]On Behalf Of Michael Whooley Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 11:55 PM To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org Subject: [SPARCbook] AC adapter for sparcbook 3 Hello, Does anyone know where I can get a new AC adapter and battery for my Sparcbook 3 ? Thanks very much for any info, Mike _______________________________________________ Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook From tcameron at archimage.linux-magic.com Tue Oct 10 15:08:09 2000 From: tcameron at archimage.linux-magic.com (tcameron at archimage.linux-magic.com) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:08:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] another question about Solaris 2.5.1? Message-ID: Ar maybe making an iso image available? >grin< On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Tai Wyatt wrote: > Are you selling it? > > Tai > > -----Original Message----- > From: sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org]On > Behalf Of Michael Whooley > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 11:02 AM > To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org > Subject: RE: [SPARCbook] another question about Solaris 2.5.1? > > > Hello, > I belive there are packages from the original Tadpole CD that are needed for > the sparcbook display. I have a copy of the original 2.5.1 cd. > -Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael M Delaney [mailto:mmdst23+ at pitt.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 9:39 AM > To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org > Subject: [SPARCbook] another question about Solaris 2.5.1? > > > Will any Solaris/Sparc 2.5.1 cd work, or do I need a special cd from > Tadpole? > Thanks, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > From rossc04 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 10 16:23:49 2000 From: rossc04 at yahoo.com (Ross C) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] IS anybody selling a sparcbook? Message-ID: --0-412776091-971213029=:18964 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I don't currently have my own sparcbook, however If anybody has a used one (not real fancy) that they are willing to sell, please reply to me, im in desperate need of one atm. Ross --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! --0-412776091-971213029=:18964 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii


Hi,

I don't currently have my own sparcbook, however If anybody has a used one (not real fancy) that they are willing to sell, please reply to me, im in desperate need of one atm.

 

Ross


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Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! --0-412776091-971213029=:18964-- From Mark at misty.com Tue Oct 10 18:41:40 2000 From: Mark at misty.com (Mark G. Thomas) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] IS anybody selling a sparcbook? Message-ID: Hello, > I don't currently have my own sparcbook, however If anybody has a used one (not real fancy) that they are willing to sell, please reply to me, im in desperate need of one atm. > > Ross I have a used SPARCBook3 available. I'm asking $375 plus shipping, and the unit includes user guide, AC power adapter, 32MB RAM, 1.2GB hard drive, SCSI adapter cable, and a trackball. Note this is a straight SPARCBook3, not a 3GX. It has a slower processor and smaller screen than a 3GX, but otherwise is very similar. Also, this particular one has horizontal row of discolored pixels on the screen, very close to the bottom. It's not very noticeable while running X, CDE, or Openwindows, however is more visible in full-screen text mode if you are not running a windowing system. The unit I'm selling works fine and has a keyboard that was replaced by Tadpole just shortly before I put it on the shelf when I got my 3GX. Ross has first dibbs since he asked, but if he is not interested and anyone else is, let me know. -Mark -- Mark G. Thomas (Mark at Misty.com -- http://www.misty.com/) From barry at dobyns.com Tue Oct 10 19:10:38 2000 From: barry at dobyns.com (Barry A. Dobyns) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:10:38 -0700 Subject: [SPARCbook] SPARCbook 3GX keyboard Message-ID: Did you get any responses? I've got a 3GX with a dead keyboard as well (I'm currently using an external sun type4). -barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas S. Robin" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:23 AM Subject: [SPARCbook] SPARCbook 3GX keyboard > To anyone out there that has a SPARCbook 3GX keyboard, I would be > interested in buying it. The keyboard I currently have is a: > > Keytronic p/n 600515-US > > KTC Model U04056US > > Please contact me if you have one of these you wish to sell. > > Thanks, > > Tom Robin > > bci at onramp.net > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > From bkrose at bkrose.com Tue Oct 10 19:20:01 2000 From: bkrose at bkrose.com (Tai Wyatt) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:20:01 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] IS anybody selling a sparcbook? Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C032F7.77F61220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have a SPARCBook 3LC, 50 Mhz, 16MB, 1.2 Gig, Battery, and Floppy. Make an offer. Tai -----Original Message----- From: sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org]On Behalf Of Ross C Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:24 PM To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org Subject: [SPARCbook] IS anybody selling a sparcbook? Hi, I don't currently have my own sparcbook, however If anybody has a used one (not real fancy) that they are willing to sell, please reply to me, im in desperate need of one atm. Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C032F7.77F61220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,=20
 
I have=20 a SPARCBook 3LC, 50 Mhz, 16MB, 1.2 Gig, Battery, and = Floppy.
 
Make=20 an offer.
 
Tai
-----Original Message-----
From: = sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org=20 [mailto:sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org]On Behalf Of Ross = C
Sent:=20 Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:24 PM
To:=20 sparcbook at sunhelp.org
Subject: [SPARCbook] IS anybody = selling a=20 sparcbook?


Hi,=20

I don't currently have my own sparcbook, however If anybody has a = used one=20 (not real fancy) that they are willing to sell, please reply to me, im = in=20 desperate need of one atm.=20

=20

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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C032F7.77F61220-- From rossc04 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 10 21:17:18 2000 From: rossc04 at yahoo.com (Ross C) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] SPARCbook modems Message-ID: --0-338888228-971230638=:22615 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I have a rather lame questions about SPARCbooks. Do they come with a built in modem, or what? If not, do I need to buy some special modem for it? Thanks, Ross --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! --0-338888228-971230638=:22615 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

 Hi,

I have a rather lame questions about SPARCbooks.  Do they come with a built in modem, or what?  If not, do I need to buy some special modem for it?

 

Thanks,

Ross


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Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! --0-338888228-971230638=:22615-- From Ken.Hansen at ICTI-USA.com Wed Oct 11 09:03:05 2000 From: Ken.Hansen at ICTI-USA.com (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:03:05 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] Wireless access for SPARCbooks... Message-ID: I was reading eWeek ( http://www.eweek.com ) and noticed an interesting tidbit on the Lucent AP-500 Access Point, an 11M bps access point/bridge, and there was something interesting: along with the mention of the Access Point/bridge unit, there was also a list of supported devices, which included not only PCMCIA cards and PCI/ISA adapters, but mention of "Ethernet/serial port adapters for legacy devices." A 11M bps Wireless unit that works off an ethernet or serial port? Does anyone have any pointers or experiences with these devices? I'd like to "go wireless," and the ability to use my SPARCbook wirelessly might be enough to push me over the edge and set this up... Ken From iws at tadpole.co.uk Wed Oct 11 09:11:12 2000 From: iws at tadpole.co.uk (Ian Spray) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:11:12 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SPARCbook] Wireless access for SPARCbooks... Message-ID: On 11-Oct-00 Ken Hansen wrote: > Does anyone have any pointers or experiences with these devices? I'd like > to "go wireless," and the ability to use my SPARCbook wirelessly might be > enough to push me over the edge and set this up... > >From similar sounding units I've seen, these are 8x6x2" devices with an Ethernet port and a radio section, and they simply send and receive all Ethernet traffic via the radio interface. So you'd need to plug your SB into the Ethernet side, which means it's not really a portable solution unless the base stations have got really small, and battery powered. I'd like to proved be wrong on this one, BTW :) -- Ian Spray : Software Engineer : Tadpole-RDI iws at tadpole.co.uk : +44 (0) 1223 428 224 : http://www.tadpole.com/ From bangel at elite.net Wed Oct 11 09:44:17 2000 From: bangel at elite.net (Keith Simonsen) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] Wireless access for SPARCbooks... Message-ID: Hi The company I used to work for was in the process of setting up wireless infrastructure. The "Ethernet/serial port adaptors for legacy devices" are rather cool. The Ethernet adaptor is a small plastic box that the pcmcia wavelan card fits into, and it has a rj45 jack on the other side. IIRC the ethernet converter box was remotely manageable via SNMP, and cost aout 190 dollars. The Serial Converter is the same as the ethernet converter, but it has a db-9 plug on it too. Check out: http://www.wavelan.com/products/productdetail.html?id=25 -Keith On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Ken Hansen wrote: > I was reading eWeek ( http://www.eweek.com ) and noticed an interesting > tidbit on the Lucent AP-500 Access Point, an 11M bps access point/bridge, > and there was something interesting: along with the mention of the Access > Point/bridge unit, there was also a list of supported devices, which > included not only PCMCIA cards and PCI/ISA adapters, but mention of > "Ethernet/serial port adapters for legacy devices." > > A 11M bps Wireless unit that works off an ethernet or serial port? > > Does anyone have any pointers or experiences with these devices? I'd like to > "go wireless," and the ability to use my SPARCbook wirelessly might be > enough to push me over the edge and set this up... > > Ken > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > From helsod at algonet.se Wed Oct 11 11:03:00 2000 From: helsod at algonet.se (Peter Soderholm) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:03:00 +0200 Subject: SV: [SPARCbook] SPARCbook modems Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C033AD.7E63C380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ross! At least the 3GX has a built in 14.1 modem, I think the other models do = to. It says in the user guide that it can only be used in the US, but = mine works fine here in Sweden. I guess its more of a legal thing but technically its probably a = standard modem. Maybe you should check out the users guide on the = www.sunhelp.com ,it has an overview of all the features and some info on = setting up ppp and nfs etc., pretty informative : - ) The built in modem is propably to slow for ppp though and any serious = internet connection. I'd like to try the built in ISDN on my Sparcbook, = that=20 might be useful if the standard is compatible with what is used around = here. Not many people use it though nowadays, its not that fast really = but it should be a bit better than a 56K modem, especially since those = tend to almost never actually connect at 56K. You could use a PCMCIA modem for 56K connections, its probably the best = option, apart from ADSL or something such more modern and speedy. Best regards Peter ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ross C=20 To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:17 AM Subject: [SPARCbook] SPARCbook modems Hi,=20 I have a rather lame questions about SPARCbooks. Do they come with a = built in modem, or what? If not, do I need to buy some special modem = for it?=20 =20 Thanks,=20 Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C033AD.7E63C380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ross!
 
At least the 3GX has a built in 14.1 modem, I think = the other=20 models do to. It says in the user guide that it can only be used in = the US,=20 but mine works fine here in Sweden.
I guess its more of a legal thing but technically = its probably=20 a standard modem. Maybe you should check out the users guide on the = www.sunhelp.com ,it has an overview = of all the=20 features and some info on setting up ppp and nfs etc., pretty = informative : -=20 )
 
The built in modem is propably to slow for ppp = though and any=20 serious internet connection. I'd like to try the built in ISDN on my = Sparcbook,=20 that
might be useful if the standard is compatible with = what is=20 used around here. Not many people use it though nowadays, its not that = fast=20 really but it should be a bit better than a 56K modem, especially since = those=20 tend to almost never actually connect at 56K.
 
You could use a PCMCIA modem for 56K connections, = its probably=20 the best option, apart from ADSL or something such more modern and=20 speedy.
 
Best regards
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ross = C
To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, = 2000 4:17=20 AM
Subject: [SPARCbook] SPARCbook=20 modems

 Hi,=20

I have a rather lame questions about SPARCbooks.  Do they come = with a=20 built in modem, or what?  If not, do I need to buy some special = modem for=20 it?=20

=20

Thanks,=20

Ross


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Get Yahoo! = Mail=20 - Free email you can access from anywhere! ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C033AD.7E63C380-- From ebusto at hotmail.com Wed Oct 11 11:23:05 2000 From: ebusto at hotmail.com (Eric Busto) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:23:05 PDT Subject: [SPARCbook] SPARCbook modems Message-ID: They come with a built in 14.4 modem, as well as ISDN. You can use some PCMCIA modems with it, currently I use a Motorola 28.8 one with mine. -Eric > Hi, >I have a rather lame questions about SPARCbooks. Do they come with a built >in modem, or what? If not, do I need to buy some special modem for it? > >Thanks, >Ross _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From pauld at tadpolerdi.com Wed Oct 11 11:41:00 2000 From: pauld at tadpolerdi.com (paul daley) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:41:00 -0700 Subject: [SPARCbook] SPARCbook modems Message-ID: --=====================_4572611==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Yes. It has a 14.4 built in. At 07:17 PM 10/10/00 -0700, you wrote: > Hi, > >I have a rather lame questions about SPARCbooks. Do they come with a >built in modem, or what? If not, do I need to buy some special modem for it? > > > >Thanks, > >Ross > > > >Do You Yahoo!? >Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from >anywhere! --=====================_4572611==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Yes. It has a 14.4 built in.




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 Hi,

I have a rather lame questions about SPARCbooks.  Do they come with a built in modem, or what?  If not, do I need to buy some special modem for it?

 

Thanks,

Ross



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--=====================_4572611==_.ALT-- From wedge at lightlink.com Wed Oct 11 15:25:24 2000 From: wedge at lightlink.com (Matthew Haas) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] IS anybody selling a sparcbook? Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Tai Wyatt wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a SPARCBook 3LC, 50 Mhz, 16MB, 1.2 Gig, Battery, and Floppy. > > Make an offer. > What is this 3LC I keep seeing references to? What is its screen size? What desktop SPARC does it have the closest ties with? Sun4m? (MicroSPARC I or II?) ----|||------------------------------------------------------------- - ||| Atari 8-bit! Star Wars * SPARCbook 3GX * SUMMER!! - - ||| 400/800/XL/XE Battlestar: Galactica * SPARC * Linux - - | | | | | 2600/5200/7800 NetBSD1.4.2 * StarTrek * Galaga * SCSI - - || | || Lynx/Jaguar Star Raiders * Descent * Voltron * UNIX - -------------------------------------------------------------------- From pauld at tadpolerdi.com Wed Oct 11 16:01:03 2000 From: pauld at tadpolerdi.com (paul daley) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:01:03 -0700 Subject: [SPARCbook] IS anybody selling a sparcbook? Message-ID: All, The 3LC SPARCbook is a 50MHz microSPARC with a 9.4"STN gray scale 640x480 display. Paul D. Tadpole-RDI At 04:25 PM 10/11/00 -0400, you wrote: >On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Tai Wyatt wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I have a SPARCBook 3LC, 50 Mhz, 16MB, 1.2 Gig, Battery, and Floppy. > > > > Make an offer. > > > >What is this 3LC I keep seeing references to? What is its screen size? >What desktop SPARC does it have the closest ties with? Sun4m? (MicroSPARC >I or II?) > > ----|||------------------------------------------------------------- > - ||| Atari 8-bit! Star Wars * SPARCbook 3GX * SUMMER!! - >- ||| 400/800/XL/XE Battlestar: Galactica * SPARC * Linux - >- | | | | | 2600/5200/7800 NetBSD1.4.2 * StarTrek * Galaga * SCSI - > - || | || Lynx/Jaguar Star Raiders * Descent * Voltron * UNIX - > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ >Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org >http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook From sunder at sunder.net Wed Oct 11 16:21:12 2000 From: sunder at sunder.net (sunder) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:21:12 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] Q: Ethernet adapters for SPARCbook 3GX... Message-ID: > Ken Hansen wrote: > > Hello, > Has anyone tried any 3Com XJack 10 Mb/s cards in their SPARCbooks? I have a source for low-cost cards ($20/each), and think > that they might be a good idea for ethernet access without carrying the cable, and AUI I presently need... I'll probably get one > for another laptop, but I wanted to ask here first... > > I'd like to avoid the dongle 3Com cards, though I do know they work... > > I'm running Solaris 2.6 on my SPARCbook(s!). Yes, they work. But I'm using Solaris 2.7. The model # is 3cxe589ec -- ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_ at _sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ From bkrose at bkrose.com Wed Oct 11 17:05:32 2000 From: bkrose at bkrose.com (Tai Wyatt) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:05:32 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] IS anybody selling a sparcbook? Message-ID: Hi, It's the Sun4m architecture, Runs all versions of Solaris, versions higher than 2.6 lose Tadpoles NCE (Nomadic Computing Environment) Suite. You can download the utilities from Tadpoles site, along with the patches. See link below. ftp://ftp.tadpole.com/pub/sbu/ There is however a version of Solaris 7 available from Tadpole for a cost of $350.00 which has the NCE suite. Without NCE SPARCBooks can run hot, as power management is lacking. The manufacturers web site is located at: http://www.tadpole.com Y2K info is: http://www.tadpole.com/support-trdi/y2k/sparc.html For more information use the links below. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/SparcBook-FAQ/qanda.html http://www.byte.com/art/9408/sec9/art5.htm For additional parts use the link below: http://www.sunhelp.org/sbparts.php3 For a larger Hard-drive use the link below: http://store.powerbook1.com/ For memory use the link below: http://www.memoryx.net/sparcbook.html As my knowledge of the SPARCBook is limited, using the above links or a search engine, may provide you with all you need to make an informed decision about purchasing a SPARCBook or assist you in your usage of one. Hope this helps. Tai -----Original Message----- From: sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org]On Behalf Of Matthew Haas Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:25 PM To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org Subject: RE: [SPARCbook] IS anybody selling a sparcbook? On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Tai Wyatt wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a SPARCBook 3LC, 50 Mhz, 16MB, 1.2 Gig, Battery, and Floppy. > > Make an offer. > What is this 3LC I keep seeing references to? What is its screen size? What desktop SPARC does it have the closest ties with? Sun4m? (MicroSPARC I or II?) Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook From archimage at linux-magic.com Wed Oct 11 17:33:14 2000 From: archimage at linux-magic.com (The Archimage) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:33:14 -0500 Subject: [SPARCbook] Q: Ethernet adapters for SPARCbook 3GX... Message-ID: Are you using 2.7 with the Tadpole patches? How much were they? sunder wrote: > > > Ken Hansen wrote: > > > > Hello, > > Has anyone tried any 3Com XJack 10 Mb/s cards in their SPARCbooks? I have a source for low-cost cards ($20/each), and think > > that they might be a good idea for ethernet access without carrying the cable, and AUI I presently need... I'll probably get one > > for another laptop, but I wanted to ask here first... > > > > I'd like to avoid the dongle 3Com cards, though I do know they work... > > > > I'm running Solaris 2.6 on my SPARCbook(s!). > > Yes, they work. But I'm using Solaris 2.7. The model # is 3cxe589ec > > -- > ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- > + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ > \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ > <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ > /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ > + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. > --------_sunder_ at _sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook From rossc04 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 11 17:58:35 2000 From: rossc04 at yahoo.com (Ross C) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] serial modems Message-ID: --0-859484421-971305115=:14761 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, Thanks to all on the built in modem info, now another lame question. I've got a U.S. robotics external modem which uses a serial cable, will this work? it isnt a winmodem. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! 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Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! --0-859484421-971305115=:14761-- From gonufer at yahoo.com Wed Oct 11 23:00:03 2000 From: gonufer at yahoo.com (Greg) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:00:03 -0700 Subject: [SPARCbook] IS anybody selling a sparcbook? Message-ID: > There is however a version of Solaris 7 available from Tadpole for a cost of > $350.00 which has the NCE suite. No, it has the same command-line utilities as the Solaris 2.6 SHWP release (the location facility, etc). > Without NCE SPARCBooks can run hot, as power management is lacking. No, power management is not part of NCE, it's a simple change to the kernel's idle loop. It's part of Tadpole's kernel mods, not part of NCE. -greg, running Tadpole's Solaris 7 release on my 3GX From troehr at nj-onramp.com Wed Oct 11 23:13:09 2000 From: troehr at nj-onramp.com (Thomas Roehr) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:13:09 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] More on Linux and the SparcBooks Message-ID: ell, after reading the two responses about Linux and the 3GX, I thought I would add my input. I have been using Sparc Linux with the SparcBook for about 6 months, and I am currently running a 2.4 kernel. Here is a printout from Gnome System Information: Distribution: Red Hat Linux Operating System: Linux Distribution Version: Red Hat Linux release 6.1 (Cartman) Operating System Version: #7 Mon Sep 18 20:51:05 EDT 2000 Operating System Release: 2.4.0-test8 Processor Type: sparc Host Name: skippy User Name: troehr X Display Name: :0.0 System Status: 4:06am up 2 days, 1:04, 4 users, load average : 1.31, 1.37, 0.97 While I was using the 2.3 kernels, the 3GX did run hot, but the 2.4 kernel seems to run cooler. I have run this box for several days at a time with no problems. As for functionality: X Support. There seems to be concern over the fact that the 3GX framebuffer support does not use any hardware to improve the performance. I have looked through the NetBSD code, and they are doing the same thing, treating the P9100 as a CG3. I feel that the performance under Linux is noticably faster then with Solaris 2.6 and CDE. Gnome is ok, FVWM2 is pretty good. I do have a small patch that needs to be applied to for the mouse driver to work on the 3GX. Power Management. Derrick J. Brashear (shadow at dementia.org) has written a driver to interface with the TS102 controller chip. I am going to work on adding the hooks so that we can use the APM system to deal with power management. The rest of it will come in time, (along with hardware accelleration for X!). I will provide Hugo shortly with the patches and instructions on getting a 2.4 Linux kernel running on a 3GX. Tom Roehr troehr at nj-onramp.com From ml at rz.uni-potsdam.de Thu Oct 12 01:42:42 2000 From: ml at rz.uni-potsdam.de (Michael Lorenz) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:42:42 +0200 Subject: [SPARCbook] serial modems Message-ID: Greetings ! > Thanks to all on the built in modem info, now another lame question. > > I've got a U.S. robotics external modem which uses a serial cable, > will this work? it isnt a winmodem. Don't see a reason why it shouldn't - but keep in mind that the serial ports of your SB do only 38400 reliably and only under 2.6 upwards. Under 2.5.1 I had dropped characters everywhere and 95% CPU load when transfering data via sz... so I would prefer a PCMCIA modem. bye Michael From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Thu Oct 12 07:41:41 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:41:41 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] UltraBookIIi review in October 2000 Server/Workstation Expert Message-ID: In the above magazine they review the UltraBookIIi, a $17,000 base SPARC laptop with a great list of features (large screen, 2x HD trays, large memory capacity and high speed CPU). Fully configured (the system you'd want) at about $26,000 - with 400 Mhz/2 MB CPU, 2x12 Gig HDs and 1 Gig of RAM! They talk about the high multiple premium this laptop costs in relation to a similar SPARC desktop, but it may not be as bad as they make it out to be... A similar desktop box would cost you: $2000 for a Sun Ultra 30 base (overkill?) $3200 for a Sun 400 Mhz/2 MB CPU $5600 for 1 Gig RAM (4x256 Meg RAM DIMMs, X7005A) $1000 for 24 Gig HD (est.) $ 300 for a 20" monitor (note: all prices from recent E.L.I. Systems advertisement - considered to reflect "list" prices, not the best price on the net, I am sure a lower-cost could be found!) For a total of $12, 100 - so to get all the above in a 9 pound case that can run for nearly *one hour* on the built-in battery, you would pay a 110% surcharge over the price of the similar desktop system. The review is at: http://swexpert.com/R/SE.F2.OCT.00.pdf Enjoy, Ken From mrbill at mrbill.net Thu Oct 12 10:59:14 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:59:14 -0500 Subject: [SPARCbook] UltraBookIIi review in October 2000 Server/Workstation Expert Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 08:41:41AM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote: > In the above magazine they review the UltraBookIIi, a $17,000 base SPARC > laptop with a great list of features (large screen, 2x HD trays, large > memory capacity and high speed CPU). Fully configured (the system you'd > want) at about $26,000 - with 400 Mhz/2 MB CPU, 2x12 Gig HDs and 1 Gig of > RAM! I"ve been using the previous model of that system, the UltraBook (same as a Ultra 1/170E, with a 14.1" 1024x768 LCD and Creator3D, 128mb RAM, 12gig HD) - and its NICE. *very* nice - in fact, I used it as my only home system for about 3 weeks. Definitely an adequate replacement for a desktop SPARC if you're short on space, and one of the nicest laptops i've ever used. For people who need that kind of power, portable, its well worth the price - and thats the market that Tadpole/RDI sells to. I can only imagine how nice the IIi-based system is. I'm gonna miss this UltraBook when I have to send it back in about a month. 8-( Bill -- Bill Bradford * KD5LQR mrbill at mrbill.net Austin, TX From sunder at sunder.net Thu Oct 12 11:40:16 2000 From: sunder at sunder.net (sunder) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:40:16 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] Tadpole patched Solaris 7 for $350. Message-ID: The Archimage wrote: > > Are you using 2.7 with the Tadpole patches? How much were they? $350. They ship you a copy of their CD with all the patches, but no NCE, so it's just like the patches for Solaris 2.6, except that the Solaris 7 CD you install from has the patches applied, so that means while you're installing the SPARCbook doesn't overheat due the lack of power management like with a normal 2.6 install. So you get to use the command line tools - like in 2.6 and the free patches you can download off their ftp site to configure the screen, mouse, sound etc. They also include a stock Sun boxed version of Solaris 7 workstation, which you don't need to even bother opening - unless you want to skimpy manuals in the box or the stuff on the other CD's. The bad thing is that when I ordered it, I paid extra for 2-day fed-ex and the Tadpole sales guy said "No problem" but I didn't receive it for two weeks. He didn't bother to tell me it was back ordered, and upon several calls, each time, he told me, "Oh, yeah, we should get them in in a day or two and I'll ship it immediatly." He still charged me the extra for the shipping. Bastage! IMHO, if 2.6 is ok for what you need, stick with it, and save yourself the $350. 7 does however offer better PCMCIA drivers and more of them. One of the drivers included is a WAVELAN driver, but I think someone mentioned that this is for the older 2Mb standard, not the 803.11b 11Mb cards. I can't confirm this one way or another as I don't have either of the cards. So just assume 2Mb. :) Now that Solaris 8 is out and 9 is in the works, having a later version will help extend the usable life (in terms of third party software, not GNU software which you could compile yourself of course) of your machine. I bought it because I was using CodeForge which requires Solaris 7, though once in a while the CodeForge guys were nice enough to compile for MicroSparc and link against the motif libs included with 2.6. :) Would be nice if we were able to get Solaris 8 running on these boxes as Sol 8 is the end of life product for the SPARC 4m platforms... Unlikely unless some kind soul reverse engineers Tadpole's drivers and writes new ones, but I digress... A big huge warning if you do decide to plunk down the $350: *** DO NOT *** patch the system with the recommended patches from Sun. If you do, you'll find that Sun has upgraded their PCMCIA kernel hooks, and anything that replaces the kernel or the PCMCIA drivers will cause the PCMCIA port to fail. Instead, download the entire recommended patch cluster and extract it, then go through each of the patches and see if does anything to the kernel. (search for *kernel* *unix* *pcmcia*, etc.) remove these patches from the cluster, or you'll be sorry. Sadly, I haven't seen (not that I've been to ftp.tadpole.com lately) patches to fix this for Solaris 7. Security wise, you should install and learn to use Darren Reed's IP Filter package, especially since it's likely some of the kernel holes fixed are security related. Also make sure you don't give others access to your sparcbook as again, you wouldn't have patched all the holes. I prefer using the 3com xjack card over the AUI cable and transceiver. It's a tad bit slower, but there's less to carry and hook up, and these things are damned heavy as is. :) Besides, the built in modem is useless at 14.4 as a modem - ok for faxing, but too slow for doing work... So mind you, unless someone else tried the xjack version of that 3com card, it's possible that it might NOT work with 2.6. Still, you if manage to buy some and they don't work for 2.6, I might be inclined to buy one or two off you if they're in good working condition. (Test it on a PC etc.) Still, it's a great little machine. As some people noted here a while ago, a sparcbook is nice as a firewall or router: you can throw in two 3com NIC's in the PCMCIA slots, use the built in modem for PPP dialin/out access, and ISDN, or add a 56K PCMCIA modem, etc. and since it's a notebook and has a battery, you can think of it as having a built in UPS. :^) Although I haven't tried it on the sparcbook yet, I've just gotten a Novatel Merlin - which is a 19.2Kbps PCMCIA CDPD wireless modem. I might try it when I get a chance to see if it works well. The big problem is the battery drain which is higher than on modems. You would still need a PC with a PCMCIA port or a windows notebook to configure the modem, but once configured, I hear that it just accepts an AT command to work as a PPP server directly. -- ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_ at _sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ From krz at cis.rit.edu Thu Oct 12 17:30:20 2000 From: krz at cis.rit.edu (Bob Krzaczek) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] Tadpole patched Solaris 7 for $350. Message-ID: Thus spake sunder: ; 7 does however offer better PCMCIA drivers and more of them. I'm curious about something. I import photos quite a bit from digital cameras to my Solaris 2.6 Sparcbook by mounting the PCMCIA memory cards as "PC filesystems". This works great; the camera formats the cards as a FAT disk and the Sparcbook mounts them with no problem. No problem, that is, unless your card is larger than 16Mb. When I try to mount a 32Mb card, it fails with the wonderfully generic "I/O error". Since the Sparcbook plays nicely with the Calluna ATA disk card (which is quite a bit larger than 16Mb), I'm blaming the PCMCIA memory card driver. Does anyone know if Solaris 7 cures this particular problem, or is the 16Mb limit still present? Thanks, // bob -- // Bob Krzaczek, RIT Center for Imaging Science, From mmdst23+ at pitt.edu Thu Oct 12 21:34:54 2000 From: mmdst23+ at pitt.edu (Michael M Delaney) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] Linux users??? Message-ID: Dosent Tadpole have fairly decent docs on their web site? I don't know how to code drivers (yet), but it seems like about everything we would need is their. If I'm wrong, let me know, it'l save me a lot of time tring to get it working :) thanks, Mike On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Matthew Haas wrote: > On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Thomas Roehr wrote: > > > > I am curious how many in the group are using Linux on their SparcBooks. > > > > I originally gave Debian a shot on my 3GX, but *QUICKLY* switched to > NetBSD because of a rather complete lack of power management. In the long > run I wouldn't mind running Linux on my SPARCbook (when it gets necessary > support) in a dual/triple boot scenario along with NetBSD and SunOS... > > But now, unless I missed some major announcement, Linux lacks power > management, PCMCIA, video support, modem, probably serial & ISDN support > for the SPARCbooks (due to proprietary stuff)... in fact, aside from > getting into text mode, it probably has decent sound support (as the sound > chip is the same type (I believe) as in the LX, which I readily enjoy > audio on under Linux). > > I found NetBSD and OpenBSD to be VERY accomodating to the incoming Linux > user... originally being a Slackware Linux user, I felt very much at home > with these *BSDs. > > ----|||------------------------------------------------------------- > - ||| Atari 8-bit! Star Wars * SPARCbook 3GX * SUMMER!! - > - ||| 400/800/XL/XE Battlestar: Galactica * SPARC * Linux - > - | | | | | 2600/5200/7800 NetBSD1.4.2 * StarTrek * Galaga * SCSI - > - || | || Lynx/Jaguar Star Raiders * Descent * Voltron * UNIX - > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > From hummer at theriver.com Thu Oct 12 22:52:25 2000 From: hummer at theriver.com (Bruce Hermes) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:52:25 -0700 Subject: [SPARCbook] Mailing list Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0348E.532FDD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Sparcbook fans, I just got a 3xp and know very little about it. It has an external drive = and is missing the internal drive, also I am looking for a ac = adapter#zvc55-12-g for it. I would like to get on your mailing list and any info I would = appriciate! Bruce Hermes hummer at theriver.com ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0348E.532FDD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Sparcbook fans,
I just got a 3xp and know very little = about it. It=20 has an external drive and is missing the internal drive, also I am = looking for a=20 ac adapter#zvc55-12-g for it.
I would like to get on your mailing = list and any=20 info I would appriciate!
Bruce Hermes
hummer at theriver.com
<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0348E.532FDD20-- From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Fri Oct 13 09:26:39 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:26:39 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] Mailing list Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01F8_01C03500.12AA0BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There was a parts list available at sunhelp.org, but I forgot the link - = they had drive sleds, power adapters, etc. for sale, with a $100 minimum = order. I recently ordered some drive sleds (which are about to arrive!), = and 3 of them were $105 + S/H. Sleds with 1.2G HDs were $150 IIRC, AC adapters were about $75 (I = think). HTH, Ken ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bruce Hermes=20 To: Sparcbook at sunhelp.org=20 Cc: mailto:mrbill at mrbill.net=20 Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:52 PM Subject: [SPARCbook] Mailing list Dear Sparcbook fans, I just got a 3xp and know very little about it. It has an external = drive and is missing the internal drive, also I am looking for a ac = adapter#zvc55-12-g for it. I would like to get on your mailing list and any info I would = appriciate! Bruce Hermes hummer at theriver.com ------=_NextPart_000_01F8_01C03500.12AA0BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There was a parts list available at = sunhelp.org,=20 but I forgot the link - they had drive sleds, power adapters, etc. for = sale,=20 with a $100 minimum order. I recently ordered some drive sleds (which = are about=20 to arrive!), and 3 of them were $105 + S/H.
 
Sleds with 1.2G HDs were $150 IIRC, AC = adapters=20 were about $75 (I think).
 
HTH,
 
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bruce=20 Hermes
To: Sparcbook at sunhelp.org
Sent: Thursday, October 12, = 2000 11:52=20 PM
Subject: [SPARCbook] Mailing = list

Dear Sparcbook fans,
I just got a 3xp and know very little = about it.=20 It has an external drive and is missing the internal drive, also I am = looking=20 for a ac adapter#zvc55-12-g for it.
I would like to get on your mailing = list and any=20 info I would appriciate!
Bruce Hermes
hummer at theriver.com
<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_01F8_01C03500.12AA0BA0-- From sweaver at inetnebr.com Fri Oct 13 14:31:19 2000 From: sweaver at inetnebr.com (Steve Weaver) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:31:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] sunhelp.org down? Message-ID: It's down. -SW Keith Howick writes: > > List, > > Is www.sunhelp.org down? I'm not connecting and wondering if it's my > connection or the server. > > Thanks! > > -Keith > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > -- Steven Weaver sweaver at inebraska.com Director of Technical Services http://www.inebraska.com/ Internet Nebraska 402.434.8680 From howick at siliconmetrics.com Fri Oct 13 14:32:01 2000 From: howick at siliconmetrics.com (Keith Howick) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:32:01 -0500 Subject: [SPARCbook] sunhelp.org down? Message-ID: List, Is www.sunhelp.org down? I'm not connecting and wondering if it's my connection or the server. Thanks! -Keith From mrbill at mrbill.net Fri Oct 13 15:44:25 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:44:25 -0500 Subject: [SPARCbook] sunhelp.org down? Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 02:31:19PM -0500, Steve Weaver wrote: > It's down. > -SW Emergency software upgrades (a nice planned minor upgrade turned into "rebuild and upgrade the entire apache/php3/modperl setup to apache-latest/php4/no-mod-perl"). Will be back up by 5pm CST. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill at mrbill.net Austin, TX From rossc04 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 13 21:53:48 2000 From: rossc04 at yahoo.com (Ross C) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] IS anybody selling a sparcbook? Message-ID: --0-1957747793-971492028=:23225 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark, Hey, I've decided to buy from you unless you've sold already or are no longer offering. As you said before $375 plus shipping for the SparcBOOK3, plus the cable thing for my serial modem. I can send you a check if you give me your address. Thanks, Ross --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. --0-1957747793-971492028=:23225 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Mark,

Hey, I've decided to buy from you unless you've sold already or are no longer offering.  As you said before $375 plus shipping for the SparcBOOK3, plus the cable thing for my serial modem.  I can send you a check if you give me your address.

 

Thanks,

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Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. --0-1957747793-971492028=:23225-- From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Fri Oct 13 23:23:09 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:23:09 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] SETI@Home - anyone else run it on their SPARCbook? Message-ID: I did this a while ago, but I forgot how long it takes to "digest" one work unit - is it really 60 hours? I've got it running now, on my otherwise idle "stock" Solaris 2.6 install with 64 Meg RAM. The Performance tool shows 100% CPU, no swap, no disk access activity (well, almost none), and a "load" of 1 (out of a possible four)... Ken From uzziel at erols.com Sat Oct 14 11:52:27 2000 From: uzziel at erols.com (Swift Kick) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:52:27 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] Q: Ethernet adapters for SPARCbook 3GX... Message-ID: The 3com pcmcia ethernet adapter model 3CXE589ET will work very well under solaris 2.6 on the sparcbook after you install a couple of pcmcia patches that can be found on sunsolve. -Paul sunder wrote: > > > Ken Hansen wrote: > > > > Hello, > > Has anyone tried any 3Com XJack 10 Mb/s cards in their SPARCbooks? I have a source for low-cost cards ($20/each), and think > > that they might be a good idea for ethernet access without carrying the cable, and AUI I presently need... I'll probably get one > > for another laptop, but I wanted to ask here first... > > > > I'd like to avoid the dongle 3Com cards, though I do know they work... > > > > I'm running Solaris 2.6 on my SPARCbook(s!). > > Yes, they work. But I'm using Solaris 2.7. The model # is 3cxe589ec > > -- > ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- > + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ > \|/ :aren't security. 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K? w-- !O M-- V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP+ t@ 5>5+@ X+() R- tv- b++ DI+++ D G e+>e+++ h! r% y+* ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From carton at sakima.octoraro.org Sun Oct 15 01:41:30 2000 From: carton at sakima.octoraro.org (Miles Nordin) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:41:30 +0800 Subject: [SPARCbook] NVRAM problem Message-ID: I am having the symptoms described in the ``Sun NVRAM and HOSTID FAQ'', such as: says I have a 3XP, when I have a 3GX host id is 80777777 ethernet address is 00:00:83:77:77:77 hangs at boot, LCD shows 099 after about 60 seconds The date is correct. I can make the beast boot if I press L1-A during the SPARCbook splash screen and then tyoe 'boot' at the ok prompt. NVRAM environment variables survive reboots. Also, the serial number in the boot banner contains apparently-valid data even though the hostid does not. I have my old Ethernet address written down, so I thought, ``walang problema.'' Unfortunately, the instructions in the NVRAM and HOSTID FAQ do not help me. I became distrustful of mkp and idprom? quickly, when I couldn't get them to report the existing values sanely, and the FAQ warns of using these commands on certain clones. I did show-devs cd /obio/eeprom at 0,202000 [i think.] .attributes -> address: ffee9000 device-end reset ffee9000 pgmap? Physical: 0.7120.2000 [note the .2000 rather than sun4m .0000] 71203000 0 0 map-page [note that I add 1000 as instructed.] fe8 fd8 do i c? loop -> 1 80 0 0 83 77 77 77 0 0 0 0 77 77 77 2 [note the valid checksum] 2 41 23 ae 0 0 0 0 41 23 ae 83 0 0 80 1 fe8 fd8 do i c! loop [reset values] fe8 fd8 do i c? loop -> 1 80 0 0 83 ae 23 41 0 0 0 0 ae 23 41 2 [note the change sticks] .idprom -> Format/Type: 1 80 Ethernet: 00 00 83 77 77 77 Date: 0 0 0 -> Serial: 77 77 77 Checksum: 2 H/W Config: 352495 Write count:N/A -> Reserved: c0 1d 1 6e 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 [note the hostid is mislabeled ``serial''. note the change does not stick.] fe8 fd8 do i c? loop -> 1 80 0 0 83 ae 23 41 0 0 0 0 ae 23 41 2 [note the change sticks] [note that .idprom is not resetting the values in memory.] I have run set-defaults and reset before doing the map-page monkeybusiness. Always after I make these changes, they do not show up in the boot banner after a 'reset'. I see in the technical document that serial number and hardware address are stored in the SEEPROM on the microcontroller---perhaps this duplicates the Mostek information? Are these SEEPROM values copied into the Mostek at boot time? Note that my hostid is wrong, but my serial number still contains data. The serial number at boot is not similar in format or value to the one on the bottom of the case, but it isn't all 7's or anything silly like that. I started having these problems after I found that my power supply was making a scratchy connection to the DCIN connector. Before I fixed it, this power problem caused the backlight to go funky briefly as it does when the battery is extremely low, and then the machine had locked up and was unresponsive to Pause-O. It took me one day and about 10-20 brownout reboots to fix this problem. Have I damaged something? It was during diagnosis of this power problem that I first discovered the incorrect ethernet address and the hangs with '099' at bootup time. I have now fixed the scratchy power problem by alligator-clipping the 12V supply to the external battery connector's topmost pin (+) and the rear connector backplane (-). It runs and charges just fine. But the ethernet/hostid problem is still there, and I can't figure out how to reenter the values. What am I doing wrong? TIA for your help, everyone. From Bernd.Hennig at dglux.lu Mon Oct 16 00:18:36 2000 From: Bernd.Hennig at dglux.lu (Extern - Hennig, Bernd (SUN)) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 07:18:36 +0200 Subject: [SPARCbook] SETI@Home - anyone else run it on their SPARCbook ? Message-ID: >I did this a while ago, but I forgot how long it takes to "digest" one work >unit - is it really 60 hours? > >I've got it running now, on my otherwise idle "stock" Solaris 2.6 install >with 64 Meg RAM. The Performance tool shows 100% CPU, no swap, no disk >access activity (well, almost none), and a "load" of 1 (out of a possible >four)... > >Ken Yep - I have the same - don't forget, it's not a UltraSparc :-( Cu -- Bernd W. Hennig DG-Bank Luxembourg, Projekt 9003 Mobile: +49 173 451 6667 E-Mail: Bernd.Hennig at dglux.lu ********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by E-Mail return and then delete this message from your system. You should not copy or use it or disclose its contents to any other person. If any part of this message is illegible or if you suspect that the message may have been intercepted or amended, please contact the sender. DG BANK Luxembourg S.A. cannot accept any responsibility for the accurancy or completeness of this message without further investigation. ********************************************************************** From Chris_Powell at mitel.com Mon Oct 16 04:02:55 2000 From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:02:55 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SPARCbook] Re: Tadpole patched Solaris 7 for $350. Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:30:20 -0400 (EDT), "Bob Krzaczek" wrote: > I import photos quite a bit from digital cameras to my Solaris 2.6 > Sparcbook by mounting the PCMCIA memory cards as "PC filesystems". > This works great; the camera formats the cards as a FAT disk and the > Sparcbook mounts them with no problem. I'm totally unable to see a compact flash card (Sandisk 32Mb) on my 3GS running 2.6. The PCMCIA driver figures there is something there as the PCMCIA icon appears in the status LCD. I'm able to see PCMCIA hard discs (Callunacards) and a static RAM PCMCIA card (actually a REX). A laptop PC sees the compact flash card as just another windoze disc. The pcmciad daemon does not create the devices for a compact flash like it does for SRAM or hard disc. According to the pcram(7D) manual page, different technology memory cards get different device entries (static RAM appears as /dev/dsk/c1t6d0sn - which does occur - and flash should appear as /dev/dsk/c1t5d0sn - which doesn't). I can't figure what is going on here! I was thinking that perhaps I need to upgrade to Solaris 7, but from the sound of it 2.6 should be able to handle compact flash cards fine. Any ideas? Chris. From shatle at vue.com Mon Oct 16 07:46:49 2000 From: shatle at vue.com (Hatle, Steven J.) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 07:46:49 -0500 Subject: [SPARCbook] SETI@Home - anyone else run it on their SPARCbook ? Message-ID: At least on my SparcBook, SETI turns it into a nice little space heater. The bottom of the case gets extremely hot to the touch, and I could feel heat rising out through the keyboard. I didn't figure it was worth the heat stress to crank out an extra unit every 2 days- which seemed to be the pace it was on. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Extern - Hennig, Bernd (SUN) [mailto:Bernd.Hennig at dglux.lu] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 12:19 AM To: 'sparcbook at sunhelp.org' Subject: RE: [SPARCbook] SETI at Home - anyone else run it on their SPARCbook ? >I did this a while ago, but I forgot how long it takes to "digest" one work >unit - is it really 60 hours? > >I've got it running now, on my otherwise idle "stock" Solaris 2.6 install >with 64 Meg RAM. The Performance tool shows 100% CPU, no swap, no disk >access activity (well, almost none), and a "load" of 1 (out of a possible >four)... > >Ken Yep - I have the same - don't forget, it's not a UltraSparc :-( Cu -- Bernd W. Hennig DG-Bank Luxembourg, Projekt 9003 Mobile: +49 173 451 6667 E-Mail: Bernd.Hennig at dglux.lu ********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by E-Mail return and then delete this message from your system. You should not copy or use it or disclose its contents to any other person. If any part of this message is illegible or if you suspect that the message may have been intercepted or amended, please contact the sender. DG BANK Luxembourg S.A. cannot accept any responsibility for the accurancy or completeness of this message without further investigation. ********************************************************************** _______________________________________________ Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook From canavan at triton.informatik.uni-bonn.de Mon Oct 16 07:58:23 2000 From: canavan at triton.informatik.uni-bonn.de (Rainer Canavan) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:58:23 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: [SPARCbook] Re: Tadpole patched Solaris 7 for $350. Message-ID: > > > On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:30:20 -0400 (EDT), "Bob Krzaczek" wrote: > > > I import photos quite a bit from digital cameras to my Solaris 2.6 > > Sparcbook by mounting the PCMCIA memory cards as "PC filesystems". > > This works great; the camera formats the cards as a FAT disk and the > > Sparcbook mounts them with no problem. > > I'm totally unable to see a compact flash card (Sandisk 32Mb) on my 3GS > running 2.6. The PCMCIA driver figures there is something there as the > PCMCIA icon appears in the status LCD. I'm able to see PCMCIA hard discs > (Callunacards) and a static RAM PCMCIA card (actually a REX). A > laptop PC sees the compact flash card as just another windoze disc. > > The pcmciad daemon does not create the devices for a compact flash like > it does for SRAM or hard disc. According to the pcram(7D) manual page, > different technology memory cards get different device entries (static > RAM appears as /dev/dsk/c1t6d0sn - which does occur - and flash should > appear as /dev/dsk/c1t5d0sn - which doesn't). > > I can't figure what is going on here! I was thinking that perhaps I > need to upgrade to Solaris 7, but from the sound of it 2.6 should be able > to handle compact flash cards fine. > > Any ideas? > > > Chris. AFAIK, compact flash cards behave the same as ATA disks like the Calluna, and thus should use the same devices as the calluna cards. Try modinfo to find out wether pcata or pcram is loaded when you insert your cf adapter. Rainer From emilyr at tadpolerdi.com Mon Oct 16 19:25:27 2000 From: emilyr at tadpolerdi.com (Emily Rougier) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:25:27 Subject: [SPARCbook] Tadpole-RDI October Newsletter Message-ID: TADPOLE-RDI NEWSLETTER October 2000 Portable UNIX Workstations & Servers for a Mobile World www.tadpolerdi.com CONTENTS: 1. 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For more information on Tadpole-RDI please visit our web site: http://www.tadpolerdi.com sales at tadpolerdi.com Toll Free (US): 800-734-5483 Phone: 760-929-0992 Tadpole-RDI 2300 Faraday Ave. Carlsbad, CA 92008 From jeisch at boku.net Mon Oct 16 20:24:55 2000 From: jeisch at boku.net (Jonathan Eisch) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:24:55 -0500 Subject: [SPARCbook] SETI@Home - anyone else run it on their SPARCbook? Message-ID: My read on it is that it makes the computer really hot and it takes a really long time to get it to spit out a result. My contribution to the project is the free cpu cycles on my HP 712/80, when I'm not using it. -Jonathan "Extern - Hennig, Bernd (SUN)" wrote: > > >I did this a while ago, but I forgot how long it takes to "digest" one work > >unit - is it really 60 hours? > > > >I've got it running now, on my otherwise idle "stock" Solaris 2.6 install > >with 64 Meg RAM. The Performance tool shows 100% CPU, no swap, no disk > >access activity (well, almost none), and a "load" of 1 (out of a possible > >four)... > > > >Ken > > Yep - I have the same - don't forget, it's not a UltraSparc :-( > > Cu From aheitner at andrew.cmu.edu Mon Oct 16 21:18:28 2000 From: aheitner at andrew.cmu.edu (Ari Heitner) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] 3GS for sale Message-ID: Hi all, I've got a complete 3GS for sale. One of the first ones Ross Pennington sold -- so its battery is probably in better shape than average (could probably stand to be cycled a few times since it's been sitting unused for a few months). I used this machine all through last year. It's still running solaris 2.5 (too lazy to upgrade) but it's got gcc/g++ 2.95, Verilog (a limited version, I can't afford a real compiler), Java, SML, and probably some other toys. Pretty much all the development projects I had I hacked on this machine at one point or another -- it was so useful running Solaris, I wasn't willing to play with NetBSD or Linux. I even put a new trackpoint (erasor, rat, clit, whatever) on it :) I wouldn't be getting rid of it except for the fact that my corporate masters at IBM gave me a new Intel laptop, which doesn't have nearly as much geek value (and isn't made of magnesium :( ) but gets the job done. I really can't justify two laptops. I'm sad to see it go, so I'd rather sell it to one of you guys than have to post it on EBay. I'm looking for $200 or so + shipping (if you really talk me into your desparate need i'd probably even go down a bit from there). Just to be obsessive, it's got - 1.2gig hdd (the original, never understood why anyone would need more) - 32mb ram - floppy drive (never used that one) - 26pin to 15pin AUI cable (that hard to find little bastard) - pcmcia 28.8 modem. i'll even throw in a transceiver if you want. No case, sorry. And I gave my friend the pcmcia-typeIII 180meg hdd, so i don't have that either. But other than that, it's all the original stuff I got from Ross. Please cc: me on replies. Ari Heitner From Oscar.G.Farah at census.gov Tue Oct 17 08:47:15 2000 From: Oscar.G.Farah at census.gov (Oscar.G.Farah at census.gov) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:47:15 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] 3GS for sale Message-ID: I will take it. Send me your email address. Oscar Ari Heitner on 10/16/2000 10:18:28 PM Please respond to sparcbook at sunhelp.org To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org cc: (bcc: Oscar G Farah/DMD/HQ/BOC) Subject: [SPARCbook] 3GS for sale Hi all, I've got a complete 3GS for sale. One of the first ones Ross Pennington sold -- so its battery is probably in better shape than average (could probably stand to be cycled a few times since it's been sitting unused for a few months). I used this machine all through last year. It's still running solaris 2.5 (too lazy to upgrade) but it's got gcc/g++ 2.95, Verilog (a limited version, I can't afford a real compiler), Java, SML, and probably some other toys. Pretty much all the development projects I had I hacked on this machine at one point or another -- it was so useful running Solaris, I wasn't willing to play with NetBSD or Linux. I even put a new trackpoint (erasor, rat, clit, whatever) on it :) I wouldn't be getting rid of it except for the fact that my corporate masters at IBM gave me a new Intel laptop, which doesn't have nearly as much geek value (and isn't made of magnesium :( ) but gets the job done. I really can't justify two laptops. I'm sad to see it go, so I'd rather sell it to one of you guys than have to post it on EBay. I'm looking for $200 or so + shipping (if you really talk me into your desparate need i'd probably even go down a bit from there). Just to be obsessive, it's got - 1.2gig hdd (the original, never understood why anyone would need more) - 32mb ram - floppy drive (never used that one) - 26pin to 15pin AUI cable (that hard to find little bastard) - pcmcia 28.8 modem. i'll even throw in a transceiver if you want. No case, sorry. And I gave my friend the pcmcia-typeIII 180meg hdd, so i don't have that either. But other than that, it's all the original stuff I got from Ross. Please cc: me on replies. Ari Heitner _______________________________________________ Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook From Oscar.G.Farah at census.gov Tue Oct 17 09:32:38 2000 From: Oscar.G.Farah at census.gov (Oscar.G.Farah at census.gov) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:32:38 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] 3GS for sale Message-ID: Oscar.G.Farah at census.gov on 10/17/2000 09:47:15 AM Please respond to sparcbook at sunhelp.org To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org cc: (bcc: Oscar G Farah/DMD/HQ/BOC) Subject: Re: [SPARCbook] 3GS for sale I will take it. Send me your email address. I forgot to give you my email addresses: ofarah at bellatlantic.net (Home) oscar.farah at census.gov (Office) Oscar Ari Heitner on 10/16/2000 10:18:28 PM Please respond to sparcbook at sunhelp.org To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org cc: (bcc: Oscar G Farah/DMD/HQ/BOC) Subject: [SPARCbook] 3GS for sale Hi all, I've got a complete 3GS for sale. One of the first ones Ross Pennington sold -- so its battery is probably in better shape than average (could probably stand to be cycled a few times since it's been sitting unused for a few months). I used this machine all through last year. It's still running solaris 2.5 (too lazy to upgrade) but it's got gcc/g++ 2.95, Verilog (a limited version, I can't afford a real compiler), Java, SML, and probably some other toys. Pretty much all the development projects I had I hacked on this machine at one point or another -- it was so useful running Solaris, I wasn't willing to play with NetBSD or Linux. I even put a new trackpoint (erasor, rat, clit, whatever) on it :) I wouldn't be getting rid of it except for the fact that my corporate masters at IBM gave me a new Intel laptop, which doesn't have nearly as much geek value (and isn't made of magnesium :( ) but gets the job done. I really can't justify two laptops. I'm sad to see it go, so I'd rather sell it to one of you guys than have to post it on EBay. I'm looking for $200 or so + shipping (if you really talk me into your desparate need i'd probably even go down a bit from there). Just to be obsessive, it's got - 1.2gig hdd (the original, never understood why anyone would need more) - 32mb ram - floppy drive (never used that one) - 26pin to 15pin AUI cable (that hard to find little bastard) - pcmcia 28.8 modem. i'll even throw in a transceiver if you want. No case, sorry. And I gave my friend the pcmcia-typeIII 180meg hdd, so i don't have that either. But other than that, it's all the original stuff I got from Ross. Please cc: me on replies. Ari Heitner From Paer.Emanuelsson at kst.siemens.de Tue Oct 17 13:23:59 2000 From: Paer.Emanuelsson at kst.siemens.de (Emanuelsson Paer) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:23:59 +0200 Subject: [SPARCbook] Larger disk on S1 Message-ID: Does anyone know of any disk size limitations on the S1? I replaced the original (IDE) 120 Mb drive with an 800 Mb model, but the Sparcbook hangs after HW diag as soon as it tries to access the disk. It's totally dead. I know the disk is ok. The drive light blinks quickly once, so it does read out the disk parameters. I wonder if it's the old ugly 500MB PC BIOS problem that's affecting the Sparcbook as well? The disk has more than 1024 cylinders (~1300). Any success stories using a larger disk appreciated. Pell From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Tue Oct 17 13:38:52 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:38:52 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] Larger disk on S1 Message-ID: This may sound dumb, but have you give the machine an OS to boot yet? Your replacement drive most likely has no OS on it. Have you tried booting without the new drive (it may be bad)? Can you boot with no hard drive (just curious)? I would suggest putting the old drive in, booting, set the openboot prom (or whatever it is called) to not auto boot into the HD, then try swapping drives again, with a CD-ROM attached to fdisk/format/ install an OS onto the machine. Could this be puking due to Y2K? HTH, Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emanuelsson Paer" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 2:23 PM Subject: [SPARCbook] Larger disk on S1 > Does anyone know of any disk size limitations on the S1? > I replaced the original (IDE) 120 Mb drive with an 800 Mb model, > but the Sparcbook hangs after HW diag as soon as it tries to > access the disk. It's totally dead. I know the disk is ok. > The drive light blinks quickly once, so it does read out the > disk parameters. > > I wonder if it's the old ugly 500MB PC BIOS problem that's affecting > the Sparcbook as well? The disk has more than 1024 cylinders (~1300). > Any success stories using a larger disk appreciated. > > Pell > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook From Chris_Powell at mitel.com Wed Oct 18 07:31:52 2000 From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:31:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SPARCbook] PCMCIA Compact Flash Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:58:23 +0200 (MET DST), Rainer Canavan wrote: > AFAIK, compact flash cards behave the same as ATA disks like the Calluna, > and thus should use the same devices as the calluna cards. Devices created when a SRAM PCMCIA is inserted: /dev/dsk/c1t6d0s2 /dev/rdsk/c1t6d0s2 Which point to: /devices/iommu at 0,1000000/sbus at 0,10001000/ts102 at 1,20000000/memory at 0/pcram at 6,0:c This fits with the pcram(7D) manual page which says SRAM is on t6 (t for technology, not t for target). > Try modinfo to find out wether pcata or pcram is loaded when you insert > your cf adapter. The output from modinfo does not change when a PCMCIA card is inserted (is this correct?), I get the following if I modinfo | grep -i pcmcia : pcmcia (PCMCIA Nexus Support) cs (PCMCIA Card Services) cis (PCMCIA CIS Interpreter) pcs (PCMCIA Socket Drivers) pem (PCMCIA Event Manager) pcata (PCMCIA ATA Disk Controller) pcram (PCMCIA Memory Card Controller V2.0) pcmem (PCMCIA Memory Nexus V2.0) Wonder if the V2.0 is of any significance? Chris. From wedge at lightlink.com Wed Oct 18 12:52:17 2000 From: wedge at lightlink.com (Matthew Haas) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] SPARC instruction machine instructions Message-ID: Hey, Where is a good (preferably free) source for getting information on the Machine Cycles and T-states for various instructions for the SPARC (V7, V8) I am doing a presentation on Benchmarking and would like to demonstrate RISC vs. CISC (to demonstrate that benchmarking is NOT a way of properly gauging apples and oranges) Thanks. ----|||------------------------------------------------------------- - ||| Atari 8-bit! Star Wars * SPARCbook 3GX * SUMMER!! - - ||| 400/800/XL/XE Battlestar: Galactica * SPARC * Linux - - | | | | | 2600/5200/7800 NetBSD1.4.2 * StarTrek * Galaga * SCSI - - || | || Lynx/Jaguar Star Raiders * Descent * Voltron * UNIX - -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cdh at CompleteIS.com Wed Oct 18 13:28:32 2000 From: cdh at CompleteIS.com (Chris D.Halverson) Date: 18 Oct 2000 13:28:32 -0500 Subject: [SPARCbook] Compact Flash Cards (from a Nikon?) Message-ID: This is semi-OT... OK, I've dug around the archives and come up w/ some details on how to mount a CF card w/ a PCMCIA adapter. I tried that, and it seem to work, but died. I am trying to read a CF card w/ pictures taken from a Nikon digital camera. When I try to mount it, it says that is is not a DOS filesystem. Basically, I tried: mount -F pcfs /dev/dsk/c1d0s2 /mnt I first ran 'disks' as suggested in another email, so I'm assuming that's correct. I guess I'm just wondering if it's possible to read this card w/ the Sparcbook (3GS). Any ideas? Sorry for the semi-OT message... cdh -- Chris D. Halverson Complete Internet Solutions PGP mail accepted, finger for public key http://www.CompleteIS.com/~cdh/ From dhansen at salug.org Wed Oct 18 15:46:40 2000 From: dhansen at salug.org (David Hansen) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:46:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] Larger disk on S1 Message-ID: The sparcbook 1 used a custom monitor (not an OBP and definitely not a pc bios (not sure why you assumed that)) which does have y2k issues. It also will not support standard distributions of SunOS and Solaris. You have to use the custom OS ports from Tadpole-RDI. -david From: Emanuelsson Paer To: "'sparcbook at sunhelp.org'" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:23:59 +0200 charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [SPARCbook] Larger disk on S1 Reply-To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org Does anyone know of any disk size limitations on the S1? I replaced the original (IDE) 120 Mb drive with an 800 Mb model, but the Sparcbook hangs after HW diag as soon as it tries to access the disk. It's totally dead. I know the disk is ok. The drive light blinks quickly once, so it does read out the disk parameters. I wonder if it's the old ugly 500MB PC BIOS problem that's affecting the Sparcbook as well? The disk has more than 1024 cylinders (~1300). Any success stories using a larger disk appreciated. Pell From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Wed Oct 18 16:13:38 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:13:38 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] Report from the field - the Tadpole Drive sleds are a great investment! Message-ID: Hello all, I recently (two weeks ago) ordered a few drive sleds, they came at the end of last week, and I wanted to let folks here on the list know what I got, and what I think of them. BTW, the price was $35/each, plus S/H. First off, of the three sleds I got, two were marked for 810 Meg drives, one was marked 1.2 Gig. These drives appear to be sleds that came back to Tadpole because the internal drives failed (a guess)... They had *no* external scratches/markings indicating nothing but the best of care. They included the little circuit board/ID selector thingie so all you need is either a large IDE drive with SCSI/IDE adapter (see http://store.powerbook1.com/harddrives.html#scsi ) or a displaced 2.5" SCSI HD, say, like the one left over after you buy one of the above upgrades. Installation took all of five minutes, and my SPARCbook 3GX booted off the drive just fine! So what do I think? I think every SAPRCbook owner who thinks they might ever want to upgrade their drive hurry up and get one or more now... These won't be around for ever, and at $35 each you can't beat the price. I know of no modern laptops that have such affordable drive sleds as these. The shipping costs for all three was trivial, as I asked Diane to ship UPS ground (I was not in a rush toget the sleds). My advice: If you are going to upgrade your SPARCbook HD, get one now! If you are going to sell your SPARCbook, get one know, it will aid in selling the unit (IMHO). If you are not sure, consider getting one in case, you could always sell it on the list for cost and get you money back (again, IMHO). If you haven't yet, upgrade your RAM to 64 Meg - it really makes a difference (but beware the recovery partition size on Pre-2.6 installations of Solaris! Hope this helps some fence sitters out there. Ken From douglas_landau at hotmail.com Wed Oct 18 17:11:20 2000 From: douglas_landau at hotmail.com (Douglas Landau) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:11:20 PDT Subject: [SPARCbook] Compact Flash Cards (from a Nikon?) Message-ID: >When I try to mount it, it says that is is not a DOS >filesystem. I got around this by using s0 instead of s2. Solaris 2.5.1. df -k indicates that the whole thing got mounted. >mount -F pcfs /dev/dsk/c1d0s2 /mnt Doug _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From rainer at canavan.de Wed Oct 18 17:23:32 2000 From: rainer at canavan.de (Rainer Canavan) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 00:23:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [SPARCbook] PCMCIA Compact Flash Message-ID: > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:58:23 +0200 (MET DST), Rainer Canavan wrote: > > > AFAIK, compact flash cards behave the same as ATA disks like the Calluna, > > and thus should use the same devices as the calluna cards. >From the pcata man page: The PCMCIA ATA card device driver supports PCMCIA ATA disk and flash cards that follow the following standards: That's what you have there. SRAM cards are something completely different. There's some info about the differences between SRAM, "SanDisk" (yes, they renamed themselves) and intel-style flash cards at http://www.bsn.com/Support/FAQS/pcmcia.html and it has the benefit of beeing about solaris. Although it's a bit dated, it's definitively worth reading > Devices created when a SRAM PCMCIA is inserted: > > /dev/dsk/c1t6d0s2 > /dev/rdsk/c1t6d0s2 > > Which point to: > [...] Rainer From bkrose at bkrose.com Wed Oct 18 20:41:39 2000 From: bkrose at bkrose.com (Tai Wyatt) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:41:39 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] Report from the field - the Tadpole Drive sleds are a great investment! Message-ID: You mean you actually got a response! I thought they had gone out of business. I tried to order a few items and never received a reply. Now my feelings are hurt :( Tai -----Original Message----- From: sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org]On Behalf Of Ken Hansen Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 5:14 PM To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org Subject: [SPARCbook] Report from the field - the Tadpole Drive sleds are a great investment! Hello all, I recently (two weeks ago) ordered a few drive sleds, they came at the end of last week, and I wanted to let folks here on the list know what I got, and what I think of them. BTW, the price was $35/each, plus S/H. First off, of the three sleds I got, two were marked for 810 Meg drives, one was marked 1.2 Gig. These drives appear to be sleds that came back to Tadpole because the internal drives failed (a guess)... They had *no* external scratches/markings indicating nothing but the best of care. They included the little circuit board/ID selector thingie so all you need is either a large IDE drive with SCSI/IDE adapter (see http://store.powerbook1.com/harddrives.html#scsi ) or a displaced 2.5" SCSI HD, say, like the one left over after you buy one of the above upgrades. Installation took all of five minutes, and my SPARCbook 3GX booted off the drive just fine! So what do I think? I think every SAPRCbook owner who thinks they might ever want to upgrade their drive hurry up and get one or more now... These won't be around for ever, and at $35 each you can't beat the price. I know of no modern laptops that have such affordable drive sleds as these. The shipping costs for all three was trivial, as I asked Diane to ship UPS ground (I was not in a rush toget the sleds). My advice: If you are going to upgrade your SPARCbook HD, get one now! If you are going to sell your SPARCbook, get one know, it will aid in selling the unit (IMHO). If you are not sure, consider getting one in case, you could always sell it on the list for cost and get you money back (again, IMHO). If you haven't yet, upgrade your RAM to 64 Meg - it really makes a difference (but beware the recovery partition size on Pre-2.6 installations of Solaris! Hope this helps some fence sitters out there. Ken _______________________________________________ Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Wed Oct 18 20:48:29 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:48:29 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] Report from the field - the Tadpole Drive sleds are a great investment! Message-ID: I simply called the 800 (or whatever)phone number and spoke with Diane. It was a very nice transaction, she took my info, asked me how I wanted it shipped, and never *once* tried to sell me a $20,000 laptop! Did you call, or send emails to a non-persoanl account (i.e. sales at tadpole.com)? Call them, it was very pleasant... Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tai Wyatt" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:41 PM Subject: RE: [SPARCbook] Report from the field - the Tadpole Drive sleds are a great investment! > You mean you actually got a response! I thought they had gone out of > business. > > I tried to order a few items and never received a reply. > > Now my feelings are hurt :( > > Tai > > -----Original Message----- > From: sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org]On > Behalf Of Ken Hansen > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 5:14 PM > To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org > Subject: [SPARCbook] Report from the field - the Tadpole Drive sleds are > a great investment! > > > Hello all, > > I recently (two weeks ago) ordered a few drive sleds, they came at the end > of last week, and I wanted to let folks here on the list know what I got, > and what I think of them. > > BTW, the price was $35/each, plus S/H. > > First off, of the three sleds I got, two were marked for 810 Meg drives, one > was marked 1.2 Gig. These drives appear to be sleds that came back to > Tadpole because the internal drives failed (a guess)... They had *no* > external scratches/markings indicating nothing but the best of care. They > included the little circuit board/ID selector thingie so all you need is > either a large IDE drive with SCSI/IDE adapter (see > http://store.powerbook1.com/harddrives.html#scsi ) or a displaced 2.5" SCSI > HD, say, like the one left over after you buy one of the above upgrades. > Installation took all of five minutes, and my SPARCbook 3GX booted off the > drive just fine! > > So what do I think? I think every SAPRCbook owner who thinks they might ever > want to upgrade their drive hurry up and get one or more now... These won't > be around for ever, and at $35 each you can't beat the price. I know of no > modern laptops that have such affordable drive sleds as these. The shipping > costs for all three was trivial, as I asked Diane to ship UPS ground (I was > not in a rush toget the sleds). > > My advice: > > If you are going to upgrade your SPARCbook HD, get one now! > > If you are going to sell your SPARCbook, get one know, it will aid in > selling the unit (IMHO). > > If you are not sure, consider getting one in case, you could always sell > it on the list for cost and get you money back (again, IMHO). > > If you haven't yet, upgrade your RAM to 64 Meg - it really makes a > difference (but beware the recovery partition size on Pre-2.6 installations > of Solaris! > > Hope this helps some fence sitters out there. > > Ken > > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook From bkrose at bkrose.com Wed Oct 18 23:31:23 2000 From: bkrose at bkrose.com (Tai Wyatt) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 00:31:23 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] Report from the field - the Tadpole Drive sleds are a great investment! Message-ID: Thanks, I'll give them a call. My emails went directly to Diane, I guess they get so many she can't respond to everyone. Tai -----Original Message----- From: sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org]On Behalf Of Ken Hansen Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:48 PM To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org Subject: Re: [SPARCbook] Report from the field - the Tadpole Drive sleds are a great investment! I simply called the 800 (or whatever)phone number and spoke with Diane. It was a very nice transaction, she took my info, asked me how I wanted it shipped, and never *once* tried to sell me a $20,000 laptop! Did you call, or send emails to a non-persoanl account (i.e. sales at tadpole.com)? Call them, it was very pleasant... Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tai Wyatt" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:41 PM Subject: RE: [SPARCbook] Report from the field - the Tadpole Drive sleds are a great investment! > You mean you actually got a response! I thought they had gone out of > business. > > I tried to order a few items and never received a reply. > > Now my feelings are hurt :( > > Tai > > -----Original Message----- > From: sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org]On > Behalf Of Ken Hansen > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 5:14 PM > To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org > Subject: [SPARCbook] Report from the field - the Tadpole Drive sleds are > a great investment! > > > Hello all, > > I recently (two weeks ago) ordered a few drive sleds, they came at the end > of last week, and I wanted to let folks here on the list know what I got, > and what I think of them. > > BTW, the price was $35/each, plus S/H. > > First off, of the three sleds I got, two were marked for 810 Meg drives, one > was marked 1.2 Gig. These drives appear to be sleds that came back to > Tadpole because the internal drives failed (a guess)... They had *no* > external scratches/markings indicating nothing but the best of care. They > included the little circuit board/ID selector thingie so all you need is > either a large IDE drive with SCSI/IDE adapter (see > http://store.powerbook1.com/harddrives.html#scsi ) or a displaced 2.5" SCSI > HD, say, like the one left over after you buy one of the above upgrades. > Installation took all of five minutes, and my SPARCbook 3GX booted off the > drive just fine! > > So what do I think? I think every SAPRCbook owner who thinks they might ever > want to upgrade their drive hurry up and get one or more now... These won't > be around for ever, and at $35 each you can't beat the price. I know of no > modern laptops that have such affordable drive sleds as these. The shipping > costs for all three was trivial, as I asked Diane to ship UPS ground (I was > not in a rush toget the sleds). > > My advice: > > If you are going to upgrade your SPARCbook HD, get one now! > > If you are going to sell your SPARCbook, get one know, it will aid in > selling the unit (IMHO). > > If you are not sure, consider getting one in case, you could always sell > it on the list for cost and get you money back (again, IMHO). > > If you haven't yet, upgrade your RAM to 64 Meg - it really makes a > difference (but beware the recovery partition size on Pre-2.6 installations > of Solaris! > > Hope this helps some fence sitters out there. > > Ken > > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook _______________________________________________ Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook From rossc04 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 19 07:53:14 2000 From: rossc04 at yahoo.com (Ross C) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] SPARC instruction machine instructions Message-ID: --0-1189641421-971959994=:15530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sun.com has various refrences on the SPARC architecture. You may also find plenty of entries on the web for something like "Sparc Refrence manual" or "SPARC lab manuel". You may also want to buy a book if your truly interested in learning SPARC assembly. I have read and reccomend "SPARC Architecture Assembly Lnaguage Programming, and C" Ross Matthew Haas wrote: Hey, Where is a good (preferably free) source for getting information on the Machine Cycles and T-states for various instructions for the SPARC (V7, V8) I am doing a presentation on Benchmarking and would like to demonstrate RISC vs. CISC (to demonstrate that benchmarking is NOT a way of properly gauging apples and oranges) Thanks. ----|||------------------------------------------------------------- - ||| Atari 8-bit! 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 Sun.com has various refrences on the SPARC architecture.  You may also find plenty of entries on the web for something like "Sparc Refrence manual" or "SPARC lab manuel".  You may also want to buy a book if your truly interested in learning SPARC assembly.  I have read and reccomend "SPARC Architecture Assembly Lnaguage Programming, and C"

Ross

  Matthew Haas <wedge at lightlink.com> wrote:

Hey,

Where is a good (preferably free) source for getting information on the
Machine Cycles and T-states for various instructions for the SPARC (V7,
V8) I am doing a presentation on Benchmarking and would like to
demonstrate RISC vs. CISC (to demonstrate that benchmarking is NOT a way
of properly gauging apples and oranges)

Thanks.

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Cheers, Rodolfo From ml at rz.uni-potsdam.de Sat Oct 21 04:33:45 2000 From: ml at rz.uni-potsdam.de (Michael Lorenz) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 11:33:45 +0200 Subject: [SPARCbook] Hard Drive Problems (Again) Message-ID: Greetings ! > > Boot Device: /iommu/sbus/espdma at 4,8400000/esp at 4,8800000/sd at 3,0 File and > args: > The file just loaded does not appear to be executable. > > I had understood that these hard drives came with a virgin install of > Solaris 2.6? Well, that seems not to be the case or the installed kernel is for another machine than yours. I never trust preinstalled OSs... a manual reinstall should solve the problem. sorry for being not really helpful Michael From sun at minor-element.net Sun Oct 22 15:29:09 2000 From: sun at minor-element.net (Martin Wedel sr) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:29:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SPARCbook] Sparcbook ATA drive formatting Message-ID: Someone please clue me in on formatting an ATA drive. I try fdformat /dev/c1d0s0 and I get the error fdformat: FDIOGCHAR failed, Inappropriate ioctl for device The regular format command complains that it can't find a defect list, and that one isn't supported on the device. I'm runnong 2.6 with all the tadpole packages and patches, I can do a newfs on a previously formatted drive, I just can't seem to get the zen for a format. I am pretty sure that it's a syntax problem, but after fiddling with it for a while, I can't think straight anymore. Help! -- Martin Wedel sun at minor-element.net http://www.minor-element.net/ From sun at minor-element.net Sun Oct 22 19:38:20 2000 From: sun at minor-element.net (Martin Wedel) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:38:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SPARCbook] Sparcbook ATA drive formatting Message-ID: Disregard.... Next time I'll get some caffeine in my system and look around some more before I ask.... btw, what's the largest hdd anyone has been able to use in their sparcbook? I know tadpole sells a 12G, but is there any OBP limitation to go above that? Thanks! -- Martin Wedel sun at minor-element.net http://www.minor-element.net/ On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Martin Wedel sr wrote: > Someone please clue me in on formatting an ATA drive. > I try fdformat /dev/c1d0s0 and I get the error > > fdformat: FDIOGCHAR failed, Inappropriate ioctl for device > > The regular format command complains that it can't find a defect list, and > that one isn't supported on the device. I'm runnong 2.6 with all the > tadpole packages and patches, I can do a newfs on a previously formatted > drive, I just can't seem to get the zen for a format. I am pretty > sure that it's a syntax problem, but after fiddling with it for a > while, I can't think straight anymore. Help! > > -- > Martin Wedel > sun at minor-element.net > http://www.minor-element.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > From tcameron at linux-magic.com Sun Oct 22 21:49:25 2000 From: tcameron at linux-magic.com (The Archimage) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:49:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] Sparcbook ATA drive formatting Message-ID: OK, spill it -- what was the problem? The fact you were using fdformat instead of format? The Archimage On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Martin Wedel wrote: > Disregard.... Next time I'll get some caffeine in my system and look > around some more before I ask.... > > btw, what's the largest hdd anyone has been able to use in their > sparcbook? I know tadpole sells a 12G, but is there any OBP limitation to > go above that? > > Thanks! > > -- > Martin Wedel > sun at minor-element.net > http://www.minor-element.net/ > > On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Martin Wedel sr wrote: > > > Someone please clue me in on formatting an ATA drive. > > I try fdformat /dev/c1d0s0 and I get the error > > > > fdformat: FDIOGCHAR failed, Inappropriate ioctl for device > > > > The regular format command complains that it can't find a defect list, and > > that one isn't supported on the device. I'm runnong 2.6 with all the > > tadpole packages and patches, I can do a newfs on a previously formatted > > drive, I just can't seem to get the zen for a format. I am pretty > > sure that it's a syntax problem, but after fiddling with it for a > > while, I can't think straight anymore. Help! > > > > -- > > Martin Wedel > > sun at minor-element.net > > http://www.minor-element.net/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > From sun at minor-element.net Sun Oct 22 23:16:59 2000 From: sun at minor-element.net (Martin Wedel) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 04:16:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [SPARCbook] Sparcbook ATA drive formatting Message-ID: Yep, I admit it....I was using fdformat. Somewhere I got the idea that ATA's were handled the same way as flash storage. Go figure... I also admit that the dsk / rdsk naming conventions in PCMCIA throw me for a loop sometimes too... -- Martin Wedel sun at minor-element.net http://www.minor-element.net/ On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, The Archimage wrote: > OK, spill it -- what was the problem? The fact you were using fdformat > instead of format? > > The Archimage > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Martin Wedel wrote: > > > Disregard.... Next time I'll get some caffeine in my system and look > > around some more before I ask.... > > > > btw, what's the largest hdd anyone has been able to use in their > > sparcbook? I know tadpole sells a 12G, but is there any OBP limitation to > > go above that? > > > > Thanks! > > > > -- > > Martin Wedel > > sun at minor-element.net > > http://www.minor-element.net/ > > > > On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Martin Wedel sr wrote: > > > > > Someone please clue me in on formatting an ATA drive. > > > I try fdformat /dev/c1d0s0 and I get the error > > > > > > fdformat: FDIOGCHAR failed, Inappropriate ioctl for device > > > > > > The regular format command complains that it can't find a defect list, and > > > that one isn't supported on the device. I'm runnong 2.6 with all the > > > tadpole packages and patches, I can do a newfs on a previously formatted > > > drive, I just can't seem to get the zen for a format. I am pretty > > > sure that it's a syntax problem, but after fiddling with it for a > > > while, I can't think straight anymore. Help! > > > > > > -- > > > Martin Wedel > > > sun at minor-element.net > > > http://www.minor-element.net/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > From iws at tadpole.co.uk Mon Oct 23 03:37:22 2000 From: iws at tadpole.co.uk (Ian Spray) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:37:22 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SPARCbook] Sparcbook ATA drive formatting Message-ID: On 23-Oct-00 Martin Wedel wrote: > > btw, what's the largest hdd anyone has been able to use in their > sparcbook? I know tadpole sells a 12G, but is there any OBP limitation to > go above that? > I would tend to be careful about where the kernel image resides on the drive - older versions of OBP weren't very happy if the kernel either spanned, or was on the other side of the first 2G of drive space. Simply make sure the / partition is no more than 2G, and is the first slice on the drive, and that won't be a problem. I can't recall if there were any other gotcha's, though. -- Ian Spray : Software Engineer : Tadpole-RDI iws at tadpole.co.uk : +44 (0) 1223 428 224 : http://www.tadpole.com/ From sdp6513050 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 23 07:49:48 2000 From: sdp6513050 at yahoo.com (steve price) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 05:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] Sparcbook ATA drive formatting Message-ID: Ian, is that true for the rdi line as well (turbosparc 170)? --- Ian Spray wrote: > > On 23-Oct-00 Martin Wedel wrote: > > > > btw, what's the largest hdd anyone has been able > to use in their > > sparcbook? I know tadpole sells a 12G, but is > there any OBP limitation to > > go above that? > > > I would tend to be careful about where the kernel > image resides on the > drive - older versions of OBP weren't very happy if > the kernel either > spanned, or was on the other side of the first 2G of > drive space. > Simply make sure the / partition is no more than 2G, > and is the first slice > on the drive, and that won't be a problem. > > I can't recall if there were any other gotcha's, > though. > > -- > Ian Spray : Software Engineer : > Tadpole-RDI > iws at tadpole.co.uk : +44 (0) 1223 428 224 : > http://www.tadpole.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From iws at tadpole.co.uk Mon Oct 23 09:07:49 2000 From: iws at tadpole.co.uk (Ian Spray) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:07:49 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SPARCbook] Sparcbook ATA drive formatting Message-ID: On 23-Oct-00 steve price wrote: > Ian, > > is that true for the rdi line as well (turbosparc 170)? > Unfortunately, I don't have any knowledge of the RDI line that far back, and I also can't be sure when Sun fixed it. At a guess, I'd say that you need to be careful for any OBP pre 2.15 - that's Sun's number, not the Tadpole/RDI/TadpoleRDI one (OBP 2.15 V1.06 is an S3GX example - the V1.06 is our release, and the 2.15 is Sun's). -- Ian Spray : Software Engineer : Tadpole-RDI iws at tadpole.co.uk : +44 (0) 1223 428 224 : http://www.tadpole.com/ From gonufer at yahoo.com Mon Oct 23 10:52:52 2000 From: gonufer at yahoo.com (Greg) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 08:52:52 -0700 Subject: [SPARCbook] Sparcbook ATA drive formatting Message-ID: > Unfortunately, I don't have any knowledge of the RDI line that far back, > and I also can't be sure when Sun fixed it. There are two requirements for being able to boot from a root partition that uses more than the very first 2GB on the boot disk: - 64-bit OBP (so OBP 3.x at a minimum) since it uses 64-bit cells - SunOS 5.5.1 2/97 or SunOS 5.6 FCS where bug 1224425 was fixed Even though older versions of OBP use two 32-bit cells to pass in the seek offsets only the lower 32-bit cell is used. Likewise in the 64-bit OBP only the lower 64-bit cell (out of two) is used but those lower 64-bits can address any byte on any disk you're likely to boot from. Tadpole/RDI may have modified their 32-bit OBP to combine the two 32-bit cells into one 64-bit signed offset for seek but I don't consider it likely. Ian? -greg From mark at laptop.misty.com Mon Oct 23 12:24:23 2000 From: mark at laptop.misty.com (Mark G. Thomas) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] wanted T2-XRHDA external hard drive adapter Message-ID: Hello, Does anyone happen to have a spare T2-XRHDA external hard drive adapter, that they would be willing to sell? This is a small box that one can slide a SPARCBook drive sled into and use externally, with SCSI connectors on the back. Thanks, Mark -- Mark G. Thomas (Mark at Misty.com -- http://www.misty.com/) From Ken.Hansen at ICTI-USA.com Mon Oct 23 15:47:48 2000 From: Ken.Hansen at ICTI-USA.com (Ken Hansen) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:47:48 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] Q: Heat build-up in SPARCbook3 GX "left on 24x7" Message-ID: Hello all, I have been running my SPARCbook 3GX 24x7 for several weeks now with no adverse effects that I can see, I was wondering if anyone else has had different experiences? I currently have my sb3gx running apache and placed outside my firewall (it is my DMZ machine off my Linksys router), and when not serving up its one static page, it is running SETI at Home, very slowly... ;^( Anyway, the SPARCbook has Solaris 2.6, with the sun cluster patch installed, along with all the tadpole utilities and their patches, and while the case gets warm, it is not *real* hot (but I wouldn't want to put it on my lap!). The laptop sits on a hardwood table, with the rear portion "propped up" on those clever little "legs." I am starting to assemble my "lab," and as such will be moving the machine to some wire shelving in my basement (a relatively cool environment - I am thinking of placing a small 12 V. fan or two (from an AT&T UnixPC) under the SPARCbook to improve air-flow, has anyone else done such a thing? Also, the laptop has remained open for he last two or three months, and while the display turns off after a period of time (great!), I know I can't close the case, as the keyboard seems to "vent" heat from the system - what are folks doing about this? Do they just leave them open? Didn't someone set some of these up as kiosks? How are you handling heat dissipation? One final question - by leaving my SPARCbook on 24x7, am I damaging the battery? The battery is installed, and the LCD shows battery life varying between 99% and 100% remaining... Is this drawing power through the battery or working independently? For long-term storage (I have a spare!), should I leave the laptop plugged in and turned off, or should I remove the battery and put it away? I am concerned an internal clock battery will give up the ghost and bring the SPARCbook down, with a broken clock battery... Thanks, Ken From n2vip at bellatlantic.net Mon Oct 23 16:49:38 2000 From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:49:38 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] wanted T2-XRHDA external hard drive adapter Message-ID: Why not keep your eyes out for another sparcbook? Seriously - if you are looking for convienient external storage, might a better solution be a PCMCIA adapter stuffed with a 2.5" notebook IDE drive? If, on the other hand, you want to load the drive from another machine (say a desktop), then I guess it could make sense, but to my mind you would be better off networking the two machines with 10 baseT networking... Curious about you specific need for this part, Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark G. Thomas" To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 1:24 PM Subject: [SPARCbook] wanted T2-XRHDA external hard drive adapter > > Hello, > > Does anyone happen to have a spare T2-XRHDA external hard drive adapter, > that they would be willing to sell? > > This is a small box that one can slide a SPARCBook drive sled into > and use externally, with SCSI connectors on the back. From mark at laptop.misty.com Mon Oct 23 20:17:56 2000 From: mark at laptop.misty.com (Mark G. Thomas) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] wanted T2-XRHDA external hard drive adapter Message-ID: Hi, > Why not keep your eyes out for another sparcbook? I have a couple SPARCBooks. By the way, I'm at the Veritas NetVision conference in Las Vegas this week. Tadpole has a booth here, and their new UltraBook really is cool. Everyone already knows that though.... :-) > Seriously - if you are looking for convienient external storage, might a > better solution be a PCMCIA adapter stuffed with a 2.5" notebook IDE drive? > > If, on the other hand, you want to load the drive from another machine (say > a desktop), then I guess it could make sense, but to my mind you would be > better off networking the two machines with 10 baseT networking... > > Curious about you specific need for this part, I'm looking for a fast and easy way of loading and copying the drives from another machine, without having to rely on 10-base-T speed. I'll transfer a couple GB of stuff onto my SPARCBook at a client's, and it takes too long to unload the stuff over the network connection. There are other solutions to my needs, just would be nifty to find the drive box so I can plug the drive directly into my desktop workstation. -Mark -- Mark G. Thomas (Mark at Misty.com -- http://www.misty.com/) From jeisch at boku.net Mon Oct 23 20:18:47 2000 From: jeisch at boku.net (Jonathan Eisch) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:18:47 -0500 Subject: [SPARCbook] wanted T2-XRHDA external hard drive adapter Message-ID: "Mark G. Thomas" wrote: > There are other solutions to my needs, just would be nifty to find the drive > box so I can plug the drive directly into my desktop workstation. I was just thinking, that external hard drive box draws it's power off some special pins in the SCSI connection, just like the floppy. Does your desktop also supply power on these pins? Just something I'd check. -Jonathan > > -Mark > > -- > Mark G. Thomas (Mark at Misty.com -- http://www.misty.com/) > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook From bkrose at bkrose.com Mon Oct 23 23:40:19 2000 From: bkrose at bkrose.com (Tai Wyatt) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:40:19 -0400 Subject: [SPARCbook] wanted T2-XRHDA external hard drive adapter Message-ID: Hi, Why not try a 2 GB SCSI Jaz drive? I use a 1 GB now with my 3GX, works fine. Tai -----Original Message----- From: sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:sparcbook-admin at sunhelp.org]On Behalf Of Mark G. Thomas Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:18 PM To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org Subject: Re: [SPARCbook] wanted T2-XRHDA external hard drive adapter Hi, > Why not keep your eyes out for another sparcbook? I have a couple SPARCBooks. By the way, I'm at the Veritas NetVision conference in Las Vegas this week. Tadpole has a booth here, and their new UltraBook really is cool. Everyone already knows that though.... :-) > Seriously - if you are looking for convienient external storage, might a > better solution be a PCMCIA adapter stuffed with a 2.5" notebook IDE drive? > > If, on the other hand, you want to load the drive from another machine (say > a desktop), then I guess it could make sense, but to my mind you would be > better off networking the two machines with 10 baseT networking... > > Curious about you specific need for this part, I'm looking for a fast and easy way of loading and copying the drives from another machine, without having to rely on 10-base-T speed. I'll transfer a couple GB of stuff onto my SPARCBook at a client's, and it takes too long to unload the stuff over the network connection. There are other solutions to my needs, just would be nifty to find the drive box so I can plug the drive directly into my desktop workstation. -Mark -- Mark G. Thomas (Mark at Misty.com -- http://www.misty.com/) _______________________________________________ Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook From iws at tadpole.co.uk Tue Oct 24 03:47:46 2000 From: iws at tadpole.co.uk (Ian Spray) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:47:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SPARCbook] Sparcbook ATA drive formatting Message-ID: On 23-Oct-00 Greg wrote: > > [snip] > > Tadpole/RDI may have modified their 32-bit OBP to combine the two 32-bit > cells into one 64-bit signed offset for seek but I don't consider it > likely. > Ian? > Hi Greg, You're right - it was unlikely :) For the SPARCbook series the 2Gb limit really wasn't an issue until the product was nearing the end of its life, and since we partitioned the drives when the units were first sold, it wasn't worth spending that much time looking into it. Again, I can't say anything about the RDI lines of this era as I didn't work on them/haven't seen the source code. -- Ian Spray : Software Engineer : Tadpole-RDI iws at tadpole.co.uk : +44 (0) 1223 428 224 : http://www.tadpole.com/ From iws at tadpole.co.uk Tue Oct 24 04:10:37 2000 From: iws at tadpole.co.uk (Ian Spray) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:10:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SPARCbook] Q: Heat build-up in SPARCbook3 GX "left on 24x7" Message-ID: On 23-Oct-00 Ken Hansen wrote: > > The laptop sits on a hardwood table, with the rear portion "propped up" > on those clever little "legs." I am starting to assemble my "lab," and as > such will be moving the machine to some wire shelving in my basement (a > relatively cool environment - I am thinking of placing a small 12 V. fan > or two (from an AT&T UnixPC) under the SPARCbook to improve air-flow, has > anyone else done such a thing? > You might also like to try a small fan blowing into the PCMCIA sockets - that will try to get air moving around the CPU itself. Blowing under the machine is a good alternative, as the CPU heatsink is thermally bonded to the middle of the bottom of the case. Placing the unit on a wire mesh rack might also help (dunno the make, but similar to the stuff on ER), as the large gaps let air move, and keeping the base in contact with the metal allows the shelf to become a larger heatsink. > Also, the laptop has remained open for he last two or three months, and > while the display turns off after a period of time (great!), I know I > can't close the case, as the keyboard seems to "vent" heat from the > system - what are folks doing about this? Do they just leave them open? > Didn't someone set some of these up as kiosks? How are you handling heat > dissipation? > There is indeed heat vented from the top of the case. I would imagine that the kiosk problem is solved by not running SETI at home/dnetc or any other process which keeps the CPU 100% active. I have used a plain S3 (50MHz CPU) as a firewall/NAT/router at home, and this summer it was running 24x7 in an ambient of up to 33C, with the temperature inside the PCMCIA socket reaching 44.1C at the worst point. This was allowing the kernel to clock stop to keep the core temperature down, and it was also on a much slower machine so the heat generated was much lower too. I did have two unexplained crashes, but the rest of the time it just worked - there were no external fans but I did leave the screen up to help move the heat. I would not recommend running a machine like this, especially not with a PCMCIA modem card in it - pulling that out really was like holding a hot potato. I did make sure that the hard drive was spun down after a fairly short time, but that was only because a firewall doesn't need much disc access. > One final question - by leaving my SPARCbook on 24x7, am I damaging the > battery? The battery is installed, and the LCD shows battery life varying > between 99% and 100% remaining... Is this drawing power through the > battery or working independently? For long-term storage (I have a > spare!), should I leave the laptop plugged in and turned off, or should > I remove the battery and put it away? I am concerned an internal clock > battery will give up the ghost and bring the SPARCbook down, with a > broken clock battery... > The cycling is due to the charging being cut once the microcontroller senses the end of charge signal from the battery pack. After this, the cells will start to loose energy as all rechargeable systems do, and once it gets below the top threshold, the micro will turn the charging circuit back on again. You're just watching the hysteresis at the end of charge. I'm not convinced that the main battery has anything to do with the clock backup - they're supposed to be independant and self powered. I do have to add that I haven't read the schematics for the SPARCbook machines, so I can't be sure. I would be very surprised if a dying clock battery were to crash the machine though :) -- Ian Spray : Software Engineer : Tadpole-RDI iws at tadpole.co.uk : +44 (0) 1223 428 224 : http://www.tadpole.com/ From Hugo.van.der.Kooij at caiw.nl Tue Oct 24 06:35:22 2000 From: Hugo.van.der.Kooij at caiw.nl (Hugo.van.der.Kooij at caiw.nl) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:35:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [SPARCbook] Q: Heat build-up in SPARCbook3 GX "left on 24x7" Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Ian Spray wrote: > > On 23-Oct-00 Ken Hansen wrote: > > > > The laptop sits on a hardwood table, with the rear portion "propped up" > > on those clever little "legs." I am starting to assemble my "lab," and as > > such will be moving the machine to some wire shelving in my basement (a > > relatively cool environment - I am thinking of placing a small 12 V. fan > > or two (from an AT&T UnixPC) under the SPARCbook to improve air-flow, has > > anyone else done such a thing? > > > You might also like to try a small fan blowing into the PCMCIA sockets - > that will try to get air moving around the CPU itself. Blowing under the > machine is a good alternative, as the CPU heatsink is thermally bonded to > the middle of the bottom of the case. Placing the unit on a wire mesh rack > might also help (dunno the make, but similar to the stuff on ER), as the > large gaps let air move, and keeping the base in contact with the metal > allows the shelf to become a larger heatsink. The heat resistance between the two pieces or metal (case and maeh rack) is too big to help the heat dissipate. Hugo -- Hugo van der Kooij; Oranje Nassaustraat 16; 3155 VJ Maasland hvdkooij at caiw.nl http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hvdkooij/ -------------------------------------------------------------- Quoting this tagline is illegal! (http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html) From Chris_Powell at mitel.com Tue Oct 24 08:08:13 2000 From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:08:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SPARCbook] Re: PCMCIA Compact Flash Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 00:23:32 +0200 (CEST), Rainer Canavan wrote: > The PCMCIA ATA card device driver supports PCMCIA ATA disk > and flash cards that follow the following standards: > > That's what you have there. SRAM cards are something completely different. > There's some info about the differences between SRAM, "SanDisk" (yes, > they renamed themselves) and intel-style flash cards at > http://www.bsn.com/Support/FAQS/pcmcia.html > and it has the benefit of beeing about solaris. Although it's a bit dated, > it's definitively worth reading Interesting web page. I had a good read and then tried a few things. First, I did a boot -r to rebuild /dev. I then did a prtconf and looked for any PCMCIA drivers or card without drivers. Inserting the Compact Flash is picked up by prtconf and the card does indeed get recognised as an ATA card (I previously thought the card would be recognised as memory and use the pcmem/pcram driver, not the pcata driver). Looking in /var/adm/messages the card is also reported there (the first insertion only). The output from prtconf does not show any textual information about the card (the web page says there should be text output from prtconf showing the card identity). However, no devices are made in /dev or /devices - even after a drvconfig. Inserting a Callunacard DOES make the devices (prtconf output doesn't change as the driver has been installed by the Compact Flash). The Callunacard can then be mounted easily. This could be due to thing missing from /etc/driver_aliases, but I don't know what to put in this file as prtconf doesn't output the text identity I was expecting for the Compact Flash card. Removing the Callunacard leaves the devices present in /dev. I then tried inserting the Compact Flash and using these devices that had been created by the Callunacard. Trying a prtvtoc on any of the /dev/dsk entries (c1d0p0-c1d0p3, c1d0s0-c1d0s15) just hangs the shell. Trying to mount any of the /dev/dsk entries panics the machine! I'm really at a loss to figure why I can't see the Compact Flash card as many others seem to be able to do. The PCMCIA ports and Solaris support seem OK (the Callunacard works fine) and the card itself is OK in a Windoze machine. Any ideas? Chris. From gaz_god at btinternet.com Tue Oct 24 13:05:18 2000 From: gaz_god at btinternet.com (Gary Goddard) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:05:18 +0100 Subject: [SPARCbook] Q: Heat build-up in SPARCbook3 GX "left on 24x7" Message-ID: In my local electronic store (Maplin in the UK www.maplin.co.uk ) I saw a PCMCIA cooling fan (Catalogue code TK51F ). The packaging stated compatible with windows, but it looked like it just took its power from the port. Has anyone tryed one with a sparcbook? Gary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Spray" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:10 AM Subject: RE: [SPARCbook] Q: Heat build-up in SPARCbook3 GX "left on 24x7" > > On 23-Oct-00 Ken Hansen wrote: > > > > The laptop sits on a hardwood table, with the rear portion "propped up" > > on those clever little "legs." I am starting to assemble my "lab," and as > > such will be moving the machine to some wire shelving in my basement (a > > relatively cool environment - I am thinking of placing a small 12 V. fan > > or two (from an AT&T UnixPC) under the SPARCbook to improve air-flow, has > > anyone else done such a thing? > > > You might also like to try a small fan blowing into the PCMCIA sockets - > that will try to get air moving around the CPU itself. Blowing under the > machine is a good alternative, as the CPU heatsink is thermally bonded to > the middle of the bottom of the case. Placing the unit on a wire mesh rack > might also help (dunno the make, but similar to the stuff on ER), as the > large gaps let air move, and keeping the base in contact with the metal > allows the shelf to become a larger heatsink. > > > Also, the laptop has remained open for he last two or three months, and > > while the display turns off after a period of time (great!), I know I > > can't close the case, as the keyboard seems to "vent" heat from the > > system - what are folks doing about this? Do they just leave them open? > > Didn't someone set some of these up as kiosks? How are you handling heat > > dissipation? > > > There is indeed heat vented from the top of the case. I would imagine that > the kiosk problem is solved by not running SETI at home/dnetc or any other > process which keeps the CPU 100% active. I have used a plain S3 (50MHz > CPU) as a firewall/NAT/router at home, and this summer it was running 24x7 > in an ambient of up to 33C, with the temperature inside the PCMCIA socket > reaching 44.1C at the worst point. This was allowing the kernel to clock > stop to keep the core temperature down, and it was also on a much slower > machine so the heat generated was much lower too. > > I did have two unexplained crashes, but the rest of the time it just worked > - there were no external fans but I did leave the screen up to help move > the heat. I would not recommend running a machine like this, especially > not with a PCMCIA modem card in it - pulling that out really was like > holding a hot potato. I did make sure that the hard drive was spun down > after a fairly short time, but that was only because a firewall doesn't > need much disc access. > > > One final question - by leaving my SPARCbook on 24x7, am I damaging the > > battery? The battery is installed, and the LCD shows battery life varying > > between 99% and 100% remaining... Is this drawing power through the > > battery or working independently? For long-term storage (I have a > > spare!), should I leave the laptop plugged in and turned off, or should > > I remove the battery and put it away? I am concerned an internal clock > > battery will give up the ghost and bring the SPARCbook down, with a > > broken clock battery... > > > The cycling is due to the charging being cut once the microcontroller > senses the end of charge signal from the battery pack. After this, the > cells will start to loose energy as all rechargeable systems do, and once > it gets below the top threshold, the micro will turn the charging circuit > back on again. You're just watching the hysteresis at the end of charge. > > I'm not convinced that the main battery has anything to do with the clock > backup - they're supposed to be independant and self powered. I do have to > add that I haven't read the schematics for the SPARCbook machines, so I > can't be sure. I would be very surprised if a dying clock battery were to > crash the machine though :) > > > -- > Ian Spray : Software Engineer : Tadpole-RDI > iws at tadpole.co.uk : +44 (0) 1223 428 224 : http://www.tadpole.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > From gaz_god at btinternet.com Tue Oct 24 13:05:18 2000 From: gaz_god at btinternet.com (Gary Goddard) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:05:18 +0100 Subject: [SPARCbook] Q: Heat build-up in SPARCbook3 GX "left on 24x7" Message-ID: In my local electronic store (Maplin in the UK www.maplin.co.uk ) I saw a PCMCIA cooling fan (Catalogue code TK51F ). The packaging stated compatible with windows, but it looked like it just took its power from the port. Has anyone tryed one with a sparcbook? Gary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Spray" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:10 AM Subject: RE: [SPARCbook] Q: Heat build-up in SPARCbook3 GX "left on 24x7" > > On 23-Oct-00 Ken Hansen wrote: > > > > The laptop sits on a hardwood table, with the rear portion "propped up" > > on those clever little "legs." I am starting to assemble my "lab," and as > > such will be moving the machine to some wire shelving in my basement (a > > relatively cool environment - I am thinking of placing a small 12 V. fan > > or two (from an AT&T UnixPC) under the SPARCbook to improve air-flow, has > > anyone else done such a thing? > > > You might also like to try a small fan blowing into the PCMCIA sockets - > that will try to get air moving around the CPU itself. Blowing under the > machine is a good alternative, as the CPU heatsink is thermally bonded to > the middle of the bottom of the case. Placing the unit on a wire mesh rack > might also help (dunno the make, but similar to the stuff on ER), as the > large gaps let air move, and keeping the base in contact with the metal > allows the shelf to become a larger heatsink. > > > Also, the laptop has remained open for he last two or three months, and > > while the display turns off after a period of time (great!), I know I > > can't close the case, as the keyboard seems to "vent" heat from the > > system - what are folks doing about this? Do they just leave them open? > > Didn't someone set some of these up as kiosks? How are you handling heat > > dissipation? > > > There is indeed heat vented from the top of the case. I would imagine that > the kiosk problem is solved by not running SETI at home/dnetc or any other > process which keeps the CPU 100% active. I have used a plain S3 (50MHz > CPU) as a firewall/NAT/router at home, and this summer it was running 24x7 > in an ambient of up to 33C, with the temperature inside the PCMCIA socket > reaching 44.1C at the worst point. This was allowing the kernel to clock > stop to keep the core temperature down, and it was also on a much slower > machine so the heat generated was much lower too. > > I did have two unexplained crashes, but the rest of the time it just worked > - there were no external fans but I did leave the screen up to help move > the heat. I would not recommend running a machine like this, especially > not with a PCMCIA modem card in it - pulling that out really was like > holding a hot potato. I did make sure that the hard drive was spun down > after a fairly short time, but that was only because a firewall doesn't > need much disc access. > > > One final question - by leaving my SPARCbook on 24x7, am I damaging the > > battery? The battery is installed, and the LCD shows battery life varying > > between 99% and 100% remaining... Is this drawing power through the > > battery or working independently? For long-term storage (I have a > > spare!), should I leave the laptop plugged in and turned off, or should > > I remove the battery and put it away? I am concerned an internal clock > > battery will give up the ghost and bring the SPARCbook down, with a > > broken clock battery... > > > The cycling is due to the charging being cut once the microcontroller > senses the end of charge signal from the battery pack. After this, the > cells will start to loose energy as all rechargeable systems do, and once > it gets below the top threshold, the micro will turn the charging circuit > back on again. You're just watching the hysteresis at the end of charge. > > I'm not convinced that the main battery has anything to do with the clock > backup - they're supposed to be independant and self powered. I do have to > add that I haven't read the schematics for the SPARCbook machines, so I > can't be sure. I would be very surprised if a dying clock battery were to > crash the machine though :) > > > -- > Ian Spray : Software Engineer : Tadpole-RDI > iws at tadpole.co.uk : +44 (0) 1223 428 224 : http://www.tadpole.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > From gaz_god at btinternet.com Tue Oct 24 13:05:18 2000 From: gaz_god at btinternet.com (Gary Goddard) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:05:18 +0100 Subject: [SPARCbook] Q: Heat build-up in SPARCbook3 GX "left on 24x7" Message-ID: In my local electronic store (Maplin in the UK www.maplin.co.uk ) I saw a PCMCIA cooling fan (Catalogue code TK51F ). The packaging stated compatible with windows, but it looked like it just took its power from the port. Has anyone tryed one with a sparcbook? Gary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Spray" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:10 AM Subject: RE: [SPARCbook] Q: Heat build-up in SPARCbook3 GX "left on 24x7" > > On 23-Oct-00 Ken Hansen wrote: > > > > The laptop sits on a hardwood table, with the rear portion "propped up" > > on those clever little "legs." I am starting to assemble my "lab," and as > > such will be moving the machine to some wire shelving in my basement (a > > relatively cool environment - I am thinking of placing a small 12 V. fan > > or two (from an AT&T UnixPC) under the SPARCbook to improve air-flow, has > > anyone else done such a thing? > > > You might also like to try a small fan blowing into the PCMCIA sockets - > that will try to get air moving around the CPU itself. Blowing under the > machine is a good alternative, as the CPU heatsink is thermally bonded to > the middle of the bottom of the case. Placing the unit on a wire mesh rack > might also help (dunno the make, but similar to the stuff on ER), as the > large gaps let air move, and keeping the base in contact with the metal > allows the shelf to become a larger heatsink. > > > Also, the laptop has remained open for he last two or three months, and > > while the display turns off after a period of time (great!), I know I > > can't close the case, as the keyboard seems to "vent" heat from the > > system - what are folks doing about this? Do they just leave them open? > > Didn't someone set some of these up as kiosks? How are you handling heat > > dissipation? > > > There is indeed heat vented from the top of the case. I would imagine that > the kiosk problem is solved by not running SETI at home/dnetc or any other > process which keeps the CPU 100% active. I have used a plain S3 (50MHz > CPU) as a firewall/NAT/router at home, and this summer it was running 24x7 > in an ambient of up to 33C, with the temperature inside the PCMCIA socket > reaching 44.1C at the worst point. This was allowing the kernel to clock > stop to keep the core temperature down, and it was also on a much slower > machine so the heat generated was much lower too. > > I did have two unexplained crashes, but the rest of the time it just worked > - there were no external fans but I did leave the screen up to help move > the heat. I would not recommend running a machine like this, especially > not with a PCMCIA modem card in it - pulling that out really was like > holding a hot potato. I did make sure that the hard drive was spun down > after a fairly short time, but that was only because a firewall doesn't > need much disc access. > > > One final question - by leaving my SPARCbook on 24x7, am I damaging the > > battery? The battery is installed, and the LCD shows battery life varying > > between 99% and 100% remaining... Is this drawing power through the > > battery or working independently? For long-term storage (I have a > > spare!), should I leave the laptop plugged in and turned off, or should > > I remove the battery and put it away? I am concerned an internal clock > > battery will give up the ghost and bring the SPARCbook down, with a > > broken clock battery... > > > The cycling is due to the charging being cut once the microcontroller > senses the end of charge signal from the battery pack. After this, the > cells will start to loose energy as all rechargeable systems do, and once > it gets below the top threshold, the micro will turn the charging circuit > back on again. You're just watching the hysteresis at the end of charge. > > I'm not convinced that the main battery has anything to do with the clock > backup - they're supposed to be independant and self powered. I do have to > add that I haven't read the schematics for the SPARCbook machines, so I > can't be sure. I would be very surprised if a dying clock battery were to > crash the machine though :) > > > -- > Ian Spray : Software Engineer : Tadpole-RDI > iws at tadpole.co.uk : +44 (0) 1223 428 224 : http://www.tadpole.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > From sdp6513050 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 24 16:15:23 2000 From: sdp6513050 at yahoo.com (steve price) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] Q: Heat build-up in SPARCbook3 GX "left on 24x7" Message-ID: they work good on a wintel laptop - windoz 9x/nt auto recognizes as generic pcmcia card and turns on power - in dos mode there is an executable to turn the power to the port on/off haven't tried it on a sparcbook... --- Gary Goddard wrote: > In my local electronic store (Maplin in the UK > www.maplin.co.uk ) I saw a > PCMCIA cooling fan (Catalogue code TK51F ). > The packaging stated compatible with windows, but it > looked like it just > took its power from the port. > Has anyone tryed one with a sparcbook? > > Gary. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Spray" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:10 AM > Subject: RE: [SPARCbook] Q: Heat build-up in > SPARCbook3 GX "left on 24x7" > > > > > > On 23-Oct-00 Ken Hansen wrote: > > > > > > The laptop sits on a hardwood table, with the > rear portion "propped up" > > > on those clever little "legs." I am starting to > assemble my "lab," and > as > > > such will be moving the machine to some wire > shelving in my basement (a > > > relatively cool environment - I am thinking of > placing a small 12 V. fan > > > or two (from an AT&T UnixPC) under the SPARCbook > to improve air-flow, > has > > > anyone else done such a thing? > > > > > You might also like to try a small fan blowing > into the PCMCIA sockets - > > that will try to get air moving around the CPU > itself. Blowing under the > > machine is a good alternative, as the CPU heatsink > is thermally bonded to > > the middle of the bottom of the case. Placing the > unit on a wire mesh > rack > > might also help (dunno the make, but similar to > the stuff on ER), as the > > large gaps let air move, and keeping the base in > contact with the metal > > allows the shelf to become a larger heatsink. > > > > > Also, the laptop has remained open for he last > two or three months, and > > > while the display turns off after a period of > time (great!), I know I > > > can't close the case, as the keyboard seems to > "vent" heat from the > > > system - what are folks doing about this? Do > they just leave them open? > > > Didn't someone set some of these up as kiosks? > How are you handling heat > > > dissipation? > > > > > There is indeed heat vented from the top of the > case. I would imagine > that > > the kiosk problem is solved by not running > SETI at home/dnetc or any other > > process which keeps the CPU 100% active. I have > used a plain S3 (50MHz > > CPU) as a firewall/NAT/router at home, and this > summer it was running 24x7 > > in an ambient of up to 33C, with the temperature > inside the PCMCIA socket > > reaching 44.1C at the worst point. This was > allowing the kernel to clock > > stop to keep the core temperature down, and it was > also on a much slower > > machine so the heat generated was much lower too. > > > > I did have two unexplained crashes, but the rest > of the time it just > worked > > - there were no external fans but I did leave the > screen up to help move > > the heat. I would not recommend running a machine > like this, especially > > not with a PCMCIA modem card in it - pulling that > out really was like > > holding a hot potato. I did make sure that the > hard drive was spun down > > after a fairly short time, but that was only > because a firewall doesn't > > need much disc access. > > > > > One final question - by leaving my SPARCbook on > 24x7, am I damaging the > > > battery? The battery is installed, and the LCD > shows battery life > varying > > > between 99% and 100% remaining... Is this > drawing power through the > > > battery or working independently? For long-term > storage (I have a > > > spare!), should I leave the laptop plugged in > and turned off, or should > > > I remove the battery and put it away? I am > concerned an internal clock > > > battery will give up the ghost and bring the > SPARCbook down, with a > > > broken clock battery... > > > > > The cycling is due to the charging being cut once > the microcontroller > > senses the end of charge signal from the battery > pack. After this, the > > cells will start to loose energy as all > rechargeable systems do, and once > > it gets below the top threshold, the micro will > turn the charging circuit > > back on again. You're just watching the > hysteresis at the end of charge. > > > > I'm not convinced that the main battery has > anything to do with the clock > > backup - they're supposed to be independant and > self powered. I do have > to > > add that I haven't read the schematics for the > SPARCbook machines, so I > > can't be sure. I would be very surprised if a > dying clock battery were to > > crash the machine though :) > > > > > > -- > > Ian Spray : Software Engineer : > Tadpole-RDI > > iws at tadpole.co.uk : +44 (0) 1223 428 224 : > http://www.tadpole.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From wedge at lightlink.com Tue Oct 24 18:36:38 2000 From: wedge at lightlink.com (Matthew Haas) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] Q: Heat build-up in SPARCbook3 GX "left on 24x7" Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Gary Goddard wrote: > > In my local electronic store (Maplin in the UK www.maplin.co.uk ) I saw a > PCMCIA cooling fan (Catalogue code TK51F ). > The packaging stated compatible with windows, but it looked like it just > took its power from the port. > Has anyone tryed one with a sparcbook? > I have a PCMCIA cooling fan I got from 3dcool.com... it works... I think it keeps it slightly cooler than it would if I weren't running it (but then again I'm not doing very much intensive stuff to really notice a big difference)... it works by default once you plug it in... the windows software merely controls the ability to turn it on or off when plugged in... maybe show RPMs... I like it... When I'm showing off my SPARCbook to "PC users", it helps to show off the coolness :) ----|||------------------------------------------------------------- - ||| Atari 8-bit! Star Wars * SPARCbook 3GX * SUMMER!! - - ||| 400/800/XL/XE Battlestar: Galactica * SPARC * Linux - - | | | | | 2600/5200/7800 NetBSD1.4.2 * StarTrek * Galaga * SCSI - - || | || Lynx/Jaguar Star Raiders * Descent * Voltron * UNIX - -------------------------------------------------------------------- From tanabi at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 24 19:03:07 2000 From: tanabi at bellsouth.net (Steve Conley) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:03:07 -0700 Subject: [SPARCbook] Q: Heat build-up in SPARCbook3 GX "left on 24x7" Message-ID: I got a fan from 3dcool.com which fits in the PCMCIA slot. Works perfectly! I used to keep my sparcbook on 24/7, but then I realised I wasn't using it as much (since I got my SPARC 20 dual processor up and running again) so I shut it down. Steve Gary Goddard wrote: > > In my local electronic store (Maplin in the UK www.maplin.co.uk ) I saw a > PCMCIA cooling fan (Catalogue code TK51F ). > The packaging stated compatible with windows, but it looked like it just > took its power from the port. > Has anyone tryed one with a sparcbook? > > Gary. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Spray" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:10 AM > Subject: RE: [SPARCbook] Q: Heat build-up in SPARCbook3 GX "left on 24x7" > > > > > On 23-Oct-00 Ken Hansen wrote: > > > > > > The laptop sits on a hardwood table, with the rear portion "propped up" > > > on those clever little "legs." I am starting to assemble my "lab," and > as > > > such will be moving the machine to some wire shelving in my basement (a > > > relatively cool environment - I am thinking of placing a small 12 V. fan > > > or two (from an AT&T UnixPC) under the SPARCbook to improve air-flow, > has > > > anyone else done such a thing? > > > > > You might also like to try a small fan blowing into the PCMCIA sockets - > > that will try to get air moving around the CPU itself. Blowing under the > > machine is a good alternative, as the CPU heatsink is thermally bonded to > > the middle of the bottom of the case. Placing the unit on a wire mesh > rack > > might also help (dunno the make, but similar to the stuff on ER), as the > > large gaps let air move, and keeping the base in contact with the metal > > allows the shelf to become a larger heatsink. > > > > > Also, the laptop has remained open for he last two or three months, and > > > while the display turns off after a period of time (great!), I know I > > > can't close the case, as the keyboard seems to "vent" heat from the > > > system - what are folks doing about this? Do they just leave them open? > > > Didn't someone set some of these up as kiosks? How are you handling heat > > > dissipation? > > > > > There is indeed heat vented from the top of the case. I would imagine > that > > the kiosk problem is solved by not running SETI at home/dnetc or any other > > process which keeps the CPU 100% active. I have used a plain S3 (50MHz > > CPU) as a firewall/NAT/router at home, and this summer it was running 24x7 > > in an ambient of up to 33C, with the temperature inside the PCMCIA socket > > reaching 44.1C at the worst point. This was allowing the kernel to clock > > stop to keep the core temperature down, and it was also on a much slower > > machine so the heat generated was much lower too. > > > > I did have two unexplained crashes, but the rest of the time it just > worked > > - there were no external fans but I did leave the screen up to help move > > the heat. I would not recommend running a machine like this, especially > > not with a PCMCIA modem card in it - pulling that out really was like > > holding a hot potato. I did make sure that the hard drive was spun down > > after a fairly short time, but that was only because a firewall doesn't > > need much disc access. > > > > > One final question - by leaving my SPARCbook on 24x7, am I damaging the > > > battery? The battery is installed, and the LCD shows battery life > varying > > > between 99% and 100% remaining... Is this drawing power through the > > > battery or working independently? For long-term storage (I have a > > > spare!), should I leave the laptop plugged in and turned off, or should > > > I remove the battery and put it away? I am concerned an internal clock > > > battery will give up the ghost and bring the SPARCbook down, with a > > > broken clock battery... > > > > > The cycling is due to the charging being cut once the microcontroller > > senses the end of charge signal from the battery pack. After this, the > > cells will start to loose energy as all rechargeable systems do, and once > > it gets below the top threshold, the micro will turn the charging circuit > > back on again. You're just watching the hysteresis at the end of charge. > > > > I'm not convinced that the main battery has anything to do with the clock > > backup - they're supposed to be independant and self powered. I do have > to > > add that I haven't read the schematics for the SPARCbook machines, so I > > can't be sure. I would be very surprised if a dying clock battery were to > > crash the machine though :) > > > > > > -- > > Ian Spray : Software Engineer : Tadpole-RDI > > iws at tadpole.co.uk : +44 (0) 1223 428 224 : http://www.tadpole.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook From eriku at pacbell.net Wed Oct 25 03:27:04 2000 From: eriku at pacbell.net (erik umenhofer) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:27:04 -0700 Subject: [SPARCbook] Sparc 5 + Sparcbook sale Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C03E22.AE93B5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have the following items: Non are Ultra models all are the older ones Sparc 5 170mhz (turbo sparc) Sparc 5 70 mhz Sparc 2 Sparc 1 Sparc IPC SparcBook 3 XP (64 ram, 1.2 gig drive, battery, AC) 8 Harddrives Ram for Sparc 5's and 1,2,ipc CAbles Type 6 and 4 keyboard, type 4 mouse optical cdrom framebuffer I am looking for a newer intel laptop for trade or outright buy email me for more details eriku at pacbell.net ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C03E22.AE93B5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have the following = items:
Non are Ultra models all are the older=20 ones
Sparc 5 170mhz (turbo = sparc)
Sparc 5 70 mhz
Sparc 2
Sparc 1
Sparc IPC
SparcBook 3 XP (64 ram, 1.2 gig drive, = battery,=20 AC)
8 Harddrives
Ram for Sparc 5's and = 1,2,ipc
CAbles
Type 6 and 4 keyboard, type 4 = mouse=20 optical
cdrom
framebuffer
 
I am looking for a newer intel laptop = for trade or=20 outright buy
 
email me for more details
eriku at pacbell.net
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C03E22.AE93B5E0-- From rossc04 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 25 19:59:56 2000 From: rossc04 at yahoo.com (Ross C) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SPARCbook] sparcbook Message-ID: --0-1125898167-972521996=:18118 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark, Hey just wanted to check on one thing before I send the check. If the sparcbook comes damaged do you offer a refund? (Sorry, my mom was scared I'm going to get ripped off) ross --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. --0-1125898167-972521996=:18118 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Mark,

Hey just wanted to check on one thing before I send the check.  If the sparcbook comes damaged do you offer a refund? (Sorry, my mom was scared I'm going to get ripped off)

 

ross


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Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. --0-1125898167-972521996=:18118-- From sparcbook at sunhelp.org Sun Oct 29 14:38:51 2000 From: sparcbook at sunhelp.org (Patrick Kelly) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:38:51 -0800 Subject: [SPARCbook] For Sale: 2 x SB2 Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001029123213.009ea830@postoffice.pacbell.net> --=====================_60354725==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Clive, I'm interested in the SCSI cables, battery charger and a couple of the batteries if they're compatible with the SPARCbook 3GX. Are you interested in selling items individually? Patrick 'Tis hope, if all, that we recall Deprived of lasting peace, Contempt the martyr of our cause So eloquent with grief. For Irelands' trouble's lasting As tomorrows weary eye Embarks its voyage of triumph Amongst the catastrophes we die. --=====================_60354725==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Clive,

I'm interested in the SCSI cables, battery charger and a couple of the batteries if they're compatible with the SPARCbook 3GX. Are you interested in selling items individually?

Patrick

'Tis hope, if all, that we recall
Deprived of lasting peace,
Contempt the martyr of our cause
So eloquent with grief.
For Irelands' trouble's lasting
As tomorrows weary eye
Embarks its voyage of triumph
Amongst the catastrophes we die.

 --=====================_60354725==_.ALT-- From sparcbook at sunhelp.org Sun Oct 29 15:03:08 2000 From: sparcbook at sunhelp.org (Ken Hansen) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:03:08 -0500 Subject: [SPARCbook] For Sale: 2 x SB2 References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001029123213.009ea830@postoffice.pacbell.net> Message-ID: <08e101c041eb$a3ec8280$0201a8c0@double333> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_08DE_01C041C1.BA9A93C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the SPARCbook 3GX is vastly different from the 3GX models... The SCSI cables for the 3GX are standard. The Batteries are unique, as would be their chargers. You should check = out Bill Bradford's parts list (URL unavailable - Bill?) and they are = listed seperately with different part numbers. HTH, Ken ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Patrick Kelly=20 To: clivemc at usa.net ; sparcbook at sunhelp.org=20 Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 3:38 PM Subject: [SPARCbook] For Sale: 2 x SB2 Clive, I'm interested in the SCSI cables, battery charger and a couple of the = batteries if they're compatible with the SPARCbook 3GX. Are you = interested in selling items individually? Patrick 'Tis hope, if all, that we recall Deprived of lasting peace, Contempt the martyr of our cause So eloquent with grief. For Irelands' trouble's lasting As tomorrows weary eye Embarks its voyage of triumph Amongst the catastrophes we die. ------=_NextPart_000_08DE_01C041C1.BA9A93C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think the SPARCbook 3GX is vastly = different from=20 the 3GX models...
 
The SCSI cables for the 3GX are=20 standard.
 
The Batteries are unique, as would be = their=20 chargers. You should check out Bill Bradford's parts list (URL = unavailable -=20 Bill?) and they are listed seperately with different part = numbers.
 
HTH,
 
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Patrick Kelly
To: clivemc at usa.net ; sparcbook at sunhelp.org
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 = 3:38=20 PM
Subject: [SPARCbook] For Sale: = 2 x=20 SB2

Clive,

I'm interested in the SCSI cables, = battery=20 charger and a couple of the batteries if they're compatible with the = SPARCbook=20 3GX. Are you interested in selling items=20 individually?

Patrick

'Tis = hope, if all,=20 that we recall
Deprived of lasting peace,
Contempt the martyr of = our=20 cause
So eloquent with grief.
For Irelands' trouble's = lasting
As=20 tomorrows weary eye
Embarks its voyage of triumph
Amongst the=20 catastrophes we die.

------=_NextPart_000_08DE_01C041C1.BA9A93C0-- From sparcbook at sunhelp.org Sun Oct 29 15:04:41 2000 From: sparcbook at sunhelp.org (Ken Hansen) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:04:41 -0500 Subject: [SPARCbook] For Sale: 2 x SB2 References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001029123213.009ea830@postoffice.pacbell.net> Message-ID: <08f901c041eb$db5b2f00$0201a8c0@double333> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_08F6_01C041C1.F212B620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The URL is http://www.sunhelp.org/sbparts.php3 Ken ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Patrick Kelly=20 To: clivemc at usa.net ; sparcbook at sunhelp.org=20 Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 3:38 PM Subject: [SPARCbook] For Sale: 2 x SB2 Clive, I'm interested in the SCSI cables, battery charger and a couple of the = batteries if they're compatible with the SPARCbook 3GX. Are you = interested in selling items individually? Patrick 'Tis hope, if all, that we recall Deprived of lasting peace, Contempt the martyr of our cause So eloquent with grief. For Irelands' trouble's lasting As tomorrows weary eye Embarks its voyage of triumph Amongst the catastrophes we die. ------=_NextPart_000_08F6_01C041C1.F212B620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The URL is
 
http://www.sunhelp.org/sbpar= ts.php3
 
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Patrick Kelly
To: clivemc at usa.net ; sparcbook at sunhelp.org
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 = 3:38=20 PM
Subject: [SPARCbook] For Sale: = 2 x=20 SB2

Clive,

I'm interested in the SCSI cables, = battery=20 charger and a couple of the batteries if they're compatible with the = SPARCbook=20 3GX. Are you interested in selling items=20 individually?

Patrick

'Tis = hope, if all,=20 that we recall
Deprived of lasting peace,
Contempt the martyr of = our=20 cause
So eloquent with grief.
For Irelands' trouble's = lasting
As=20 tomorrows weary eye
Embarks its voyage of triumph
Amongst the=20 catastrophes we die.

------=_NextPart_000_08F6_01C041C1.F212B620-- From sparcbook at sunhelp.org Sun Oct 29 15:06:34 2000 From: sparcbook at sunhelp.org (Ken Hansen) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:06:34 -0500 Subject: [SPARCbook] For Sale: 2 x SB2 References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001029123213.009ea830@postoffice.pacbell.net> <08e101c041eb$a3ec8280$0201a8c0@double333> Message-ID: <090301c041ec$1ebf3a70$0201a8c0@double333> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0900_01C041C2.35934A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ARGH! The SB 3GX is different from the SB 2 series laptops... Geez! Ken ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ken Hansen=20 To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org=20 Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [SPARCbook] For Sale: 2 x SB2 I think the SPARCbook 3GX is vastly different from the 3GX models... ------=_NextPart_000_0900_01C041C2.35934A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ARGH! The SB 3GX is different from the = SB 2 series=20 laptops...
 
Geez!
 
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ken=20 Hansen
To: sparcbook at sunhelp.org
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 = 4:03=20 PM
Subject: Re: [SPARCbook] For = Sale: 2 x=20 SB2

I think the SPARCbook 3GX is vastly = different=20 from the 3GX models...
------=_NextPart_000_0900_01C041C2.35934A40-- From sparcbook at sunhelp.org Mon Oct 30 10:43:27 2000 From: sparcbook at sunhelp.org (paul daley) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:43:27 -0800 Subject: [SPARCbook] For Sale: 2 x SB2 In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20001029123213.009ea830@postoffice.pacbell.net> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20001030084119.00c78880@whitney.rdi.com> --=====================_263141644==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Patrick, The battery,AC adapter and SCSI cables WILL NOT WORK on a 3GX if they are for a SPARCbook 2. Paul Daley Tadpole-RDI After Market Sales At 12:38 PM 10/29/00 -0800, you wrote: >Clive, > >I'm interested in the SCSI cables, battery charger and a couple of the >batteries if they're compatible with the SPARCbook 3GX. Are you interested >in selling items individually? > >Patrick > >'Tis hope, if all, that we recall >Deprived of lasting peace, >Contempt the martyr of our cause >So eloquent with grief. >For Irelands' trouble's lasting >As tomorrows weary eye >Embarks its voyage of triumph >Amongst the catastrophes we die. --=====================_263141644==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Patrick,

 The battery,AC adapter and SCSI cables WILL NOT WORK on a 3GX if they are for a SPARCbook 2.

Paul Daley
Tadpole-RDI
After Market Sales


At 12:38 PM 10/29/00 -0800, you wrote:
Clive,

I'm interested in the SCSI cables, battery charger and a couple of the batteries if they're compatible with the SPARCbook 3GX. Are you interested in selling items individually?

Patrick

'Tis hope, if all, that we recall
Deprived of lasting peace,
Contempt the martyr of our cause
So eloquent with grief.
For Irelands' trouble's lasting
As tomorrows weary eye
Embarks its voyage of triumph
Amongst the catastrophes we die.
--=====================_263141644==_.ALT-- From sparcbook at sunhelp.org Mon Oct 30 15:05:23 2000 From: sparcbook at sunhelp.org (Gary Goddard) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:05:23 -0000 Subject: [SPARCbook] For Sale: 2 x SB2 References: <002701c041b6$e5ede3c0$a7d0a4d8@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002101c042b5$4aa7d240$080000c8@eve> Would you be willing to ship to the UK? if so any ideas on price? What price did you have in mind? Gary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive McAdam" To: Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: [SPARCbook] For Sale: 2 x SB2 > > FOR SALE > > 2 x SPARCBook 2 ( one doesn't have a battery door ) > 2 x battery chargers, > 3 x batteries, > 1 x Solaris 2.4 CD for SPARCBook Version C.0.2, > 2 x mains power adaptors, > 1 x original SPARCBook carry case, > 2 x short SCSI cables for the SPARCBooks, > 2 x MII Ethernet tranceivers ( 10BaseT ) > Various books and manuals > Both boot to the "boot prompt" and pass the system diagnostics. I don't have > an external CDROM to reload the OS. > > Offers for the lot ? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook > From sparcbook at sunhelp.org Mon Oct 30 15:05:23 2000 From: sparcbook at sunhelp.org (Gary Goddard) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:05:23 -0000 Subject: [SPARCbook] For Sale: 2 x SB2 References: <002701c041b6$e5ede3c0$a7d0a4d8@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001e01c042b5$20d94e80$080000c8@eve> Would you be willing to ship to the UK? if so any ideas on price? What price did you have in mind? Gary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive McAdam" To: Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: [SPARCbook] For Sale: 2 x SB2 > > FOR SALE > > 2 x SPARCBook 2 ( one doesn't have a battery door ) > 2 x battery chargers, > 3 x batteries, > 1 x Solaris 2.4 CD for SPARCBook Version C.0.2, > 2 x mains power adaptors, > 1 x original SPARCBook carry case, > 2 x short SCSI cables for the SPARCBooks, > 2 x MII Ethernet tranceivers ( 10BaseT ) > Various books and manuals > Both boot to the "boot prompt" and pass the system diagnostics. I don't have > an external CDROM to reload the OS. > > Offers for the lot ? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sparcbook mailing list - Sparcbook at sunhelp.org > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sparcbook >