[rescue] Wooohhhooo XP -> 0 to BSOD in 12min23sec

Fri Oct 26 13:25:10 CDT 2001

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Hooray for 133t 0-dAy juar3z!

Seriously, you can't blame Microsoft for what it's trying to do (note: this
does *NOT* mean that you should accept it). They've pretty much saturated
the market, and the opportunities for growth are harder to come by. So the
implement crap features to discourage "casual pirates" to get a little more
cash from the home user. It's like those machines that are used to grind up
all the bones and crap left over from a cow to extract the tiniest bit of
meat remaining: a lot of effort for a little return, but there's not much
left to squeeze a profit from.

But the comment about MS products being too "prettyfied" and not "hardcore"
(my terms) I agree with; they should take a timeout on building the UI and
crud, and make things more stable. But on the flipside, the open software
community (well, the Linux/*BSD people) need to hold off on some of the
hardcore stuff and add the pretty features. Why? The server market seems to
be pretty happy with OSS, but a secretary would crap themself if shown a
shell prompt and told to get to work. 

Personally, I think that BeOS (RIP) and OS X are ideal middle grounds. I'd
be all over a Mac like a fly on poo except for the fact that I have a large
base of PC software and hardware (and DAMMIT, I like more than one mouse
button). 

My opinion, anyway.

===========[b l i x]============
"Rub the bee. Rub the bee.
Keep rubbing the bee or damn
  your eyes, your life is ashes.
YOUR LIFE IS ASHES."
====[mjbraun at enteract.com]====

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
> Behalf Of Shaun Landis
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:03 PM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: RE: [rescue] Wooohhhooo XP -> 0 to BSOD in 12min23sec
> 
> 
> I'm currently running a "Corporate" edition of Windows XP 
> Professional.
> It doesn't require or attempt any activation at all. I've had previous
> Corporate versions of Windows 2000 which don't require a key 
> for install
> (makes automating installs easier I guess :), but the XP Pro Corp
> install requires a key. I wasn't fond of the activation idea 
> either, so
> I found the Corp edition. :-D
> 
> slandis
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org 
> > [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org] On Behalf Of Steve Sandau
> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:37 AM
> > To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> > Subject: Re: [rescue] Wooohhhooo XP -> 0 to BSOD in 12min23sec
> > 
> > 
> > I'm curious about the activation, too. I like my anonymity; 
> > what I remember about the activation starts to eat away at 
> > that. I *think* that the registration includes four numbers 
> > from hardware on your pc, like CPU serial, hdd serial, and 
> > some others and includes them in the registration somehow. I 
> > guess that relates to the re-registration under some 
> > circumstances when hardware is changed. I guess there is also 
> > a "developer" install or something that allows for a little 
> > more flexibility in hardware changes. I believe that there 
> > are "ways around" the "phone home" stuff, too. ;)
> > 
> > The biggest problem is that this is all done under the guise 
> > of being for *our* protection somehow... I complained to my 
> > coworker about newer versions of Windows treating users like 
> > complete, utter morons ("My Network Places' and "Computers 
> > Near Me" in win2k for example). He says "Well, look at some 
> > of the people using computers. Discouraging. The appreciation 
> > for a stable, intelligent, useful operating system seems to 
> > be disappearing. Users seem to want pretty icons, wizards and 
> > making things work without having to know anything. I want to 
> > figure out how it works and do things by hand so the do indeed work.
> > 
> > Oops, guess that was sort of a rant. Sorry. ;)
> > 
> > Ken Hansen wrote:
> > > 
> > > Tee-hee - I can't wait to see my $50 version of WinXP 
> > Professional (?) 
> > > on a hand-built P3/1GHz - it should be fun, but I am 
> really looking 
> > > forward to the "mini" lava light that comes with the 
> > software (special 
> > > MS channel offer).
> > > 
> > > I am curious about the activation mess they implemented...
> > > 
> > > Ken
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Francisco Javier Mesa-Martinez" <lefa at cats.ucsc.edu>
> > > To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:37 AM
> > > Subject: [rescue] Wooohhhooo XP -> 0 to BSOD in 12min23sec
> > > 
> > > > So they upgraded one of our feecees to winXP. After being 
> > disgusted 
> > > > by the crappy aqua imitation (what the heck is this 
> candy button 
> > > > shit?) running on a VLSI design station, yup it looks 
> > "professional" 
> > > > running all of these pastel blue themes..... I will proceed to 
> > > > relate all the fun we have had so far with it.
> > > 
> > > _________________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > rescue maillist  -  rescue at sunhelp.org 
> > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> > 
> > -- 
> > Steve Sandau
> > ssandau at bath.tmac.com 
> _______________________________________________
> > rescue maillist  -  rescue at sunhelp.org 
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hooray for 133t 0-dAy juar3z!</FONT>
</P>

Seriously, you can't blame Microsoft for what it's =
trying to do (note: this does *NOT* mean that you should accept it). =
They've pretty much saturated the market, and the opportunities for =
growth are harder to come by. So the implement crap features to =
discourage "casual pirates" to get a little more cash from =
the home user. It's like those machines that are used to grind up all =
the bones and crap left over from a cow to extract the tiniest bit of =
meat remaining: a lot of effort for a little return, but there's not =
much left to squeeze a profit from.

But the comment about MS products being too =
"prettyfied" and not "hardcore" (my terms) I agree =
with; they should take a timeout on building the UI and crud, and make =
things more stable. But on the flipside, the open software community =
(well, the Linux/*BSD people) need to hold off on some of the hardcore =
stuff and add the pretty features. Why? The server market seems to be =
pretty happy with OSS, but a secretary would crap themself if shown a =
shell prompt and told to get to work.

Personally, I think that BeOS (RIP) and OS X are =
ideal middle grounds. I'd be all over a Mac like a fly on poo except =
for the fact that I have a large base of PC software and hardware (and =
DAMMIT, I like more than one mouse button).

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>My opinion, anyway.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

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 "Rub the bee. Rub the bee.
 Keep rubbing the bee or damn
   your eyes, your life is ashes.
 YOUR LIFE IS ASHES."
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org">mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org=
</A>]On</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Behalf Of Shaun Landis</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:03 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: rescue at sunhelp.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: RE: [rescue] Wooohhhooo XP -> 0 to =
BSOD in 12min23sec</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I'm currently running a "Corporate" =
edition of Windows XP </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Professional.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> It doesn't require or attempt any activation at =
all. I've had previous</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Corporate versions of Windows 2000 which don't =
require a key </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> for install</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> (makes automating installs easier I guess :), =
but the XP Pro Corp</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> install requires a key. I wasn't fond of the =
activation idea </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> either, so</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I found the Corp edition. :-D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> slandis</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org">mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org=
</A>] On Behalf Of Steve Sandau</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:37 =
AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > To: rescue at sunhelp.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Subject: Re: [rescue] Wooohhhooo XP -> =
0 to BSOD in 12min23sec</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > I'm curious about the activation, too. I =
like my anonymity; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > what I remember about the activation =
starts to eat away at </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > that. I *think* that the registration =
includes four numbers </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > from hardware on your pc, like CPU serial, =
hdd serial, and </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > some others and includes them in the =
registration somehow. I </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > guess that relates to the re-registration =
under some </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > circumstances when hardware is changed. I =
guess there is also </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > a "developer" install or =
something that allows for a little </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > more flexibility in hardware changes. I =
believe that there </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > are "ways around" the =
"phone home" stuff, too. ;)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > The biggest problem is that this is all =
done under the guise </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > of being for *our* protection somehow... I =
complained to my </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > coworker about newer versions of Windows =
treating users like </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > complete, utter morons ("My Network =
Places' and "Computers </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Near Me" in win2k for example). He =
says "Well, look at some </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > of the people using computers. =
Discouraging. The appreciation </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > for a stable, intelligent, useful =
operating system seems to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > be disappearing. Users seem to want pretty =
icons, wizards and </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > making things work without having to know =
anything. I want to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > figure out how it works and do things by =
hand so the do indeed work.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Oops, guess that was sort of a rant. =
Sorry. ;)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Ken Hansen wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Tee-hee - I can't wait to see my $50 =
version of WinXP </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Professional (?) </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > on a hand-built P3/1GHz - it should =
be fun, but I am </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> really looking </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > forward to the "mini" lava =
light that comes with the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > software (special </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > MS channel offer).</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > I am curious about the activation =
mess they implemented...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Ken</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ----- Original Message -----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > From: "Francisco Javier =
Mesa-Martinez" <lefa at cats.ucsc.edu></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > To: <rescue at sunhelp.org></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:37 =
AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Subject: [rescue] Wooohhhooo XP -> =
0 to BSOD in 12min23sec</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > So they upgraded one of our =
feecees to winXP. After being </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > disgusted </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > by the crappy aqua imitation =
(what the heck is this </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> candy button </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > shit?) running on a VLSI design =
station, yup it looks </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > "professional" </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > running all of these pastel blue =
themes..... I will proceed to </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > relate all the fun we have had =
so far with it.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > =
_________________________________________________________</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Do You Yahoo!?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at =
<A HREF=3D"http://mail.yahoo.com" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://mail.yahoo.com</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > =
_______________________________________________</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > rescue maillist  -  =
rescue at sunhelp.org </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue" =
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NT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > -- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Steve Sandau</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ssandau at bath.tmac.com </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> =
_______________________________________________</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > rescue maillist  -  =
rescue at sunhelp.org </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > <A =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
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_______________________________________________</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> rescue maillist  -  =
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