[rescue] Just a thought - what would be a good starter SPARC system these days?

[Robert Rose]

>From: Brian Hechinger <wonko at arkham.ws>
> > I think what it comes down to is that to be an effective administrator,
> > one needs to know *all* the tools, text and GUI. I think that makes the
> > most effective administrator. Having a choice of how to do something is
> > usually helpful.
>i can't really agree with you.  i don't think the GUI tools should be pushed
>so hard.  i don't mind them being taught, but the command line tools are 
>ALWAYS
>at your disposal, the GUI ones?  not always.  usually these days, but there is
>going to be a time that they aren't available.
Used to be a time when you would _never_ see a mouse in a computer room,
then NT came along and suddenly we had to have desks, and PeeCee width
keyboards as well as the mouses.  Blame M$, I do.

>also, there is no scriptability of GUI stuff.  what would take me 120 clicks
>and drags in the disksuite GUI (or the veritas GUI) could be done with 5-6
>lines of shell script which can be done right on the command line.  so you
>are not using an "easier" tool,  you are using a brain rotting tool that is
>holding you back.
Damn straight!  I always encourage the young-uns to use the CLI instead of a
GUI and to record what they do in a typescript.  Makes it a snap to see what
you've done, particularly when compiling and installing things like BIND,
sendmail, perl, apache, etc. particularly if you get them to type type the 
following
commands immediately after starting the typescript: id; pwd; uname -a; 
date; ls -las
This then becomes their documentation, or at least a place to start documenting
from.

Oh and the Veritas GUI sucks ass, it was a source of confusion for me for a 
long time,
I only started enjoying Veritas once I sat down and looked at the CLI tools.

>but who am i to say?  i've only been doing this for 10 years.
6 years for me, God I feel old sometimes!

Rob.