[SunRescue] OT: AS/400 stuff

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I belive linux will run under the VM, though I'm not sure what exact
hardware and version off the VM are required.
	Nick

On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Ken Hansen wrote:

> VMis a real robust OS, that can work wonders without a client OS (VSE, MVS
> or other) - *but* there is very little support for VM in commercial Apps. -
> they tend to run under a client OS.
> 
> VM is *so robust* you can run another OS under it, but make no mistake, VM
> is very useful. VM is the most likely way you would work on a low-end
> "freak" machine like the departmental s/390s we are talking about here.
> 
> IBM *controls* the market, and has no reason to offer low-cost OSs.
> 
> Ken
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua D. Boyd" <jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu>
> To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 1:52 PM
> Subject: RE: [SunRescue] OT: AS/400 stuff
> 
> 
> > On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Paul Khoury wrote:
> >
> > > Didn't think so.  500 bucks would be nice, but I doubt that also.
> > > So how does OS/390 or VM, or MVS (whichever it is) compare with
> > > UNIX?
> >
> > I wouldn't be surprised is IBM had a way to get it cheaper for the P390.
> > While it is the same OS as the big boys, since all OSs are keyed to the
> > hardware, IBM could very well charge less.  It would be to their benifit
> > to do so, since the P390s are mainly meant for development, and you don't
> > want to charge a small company $100,000 just so that they can support your
> > platform.
> >
> > Anyway, I know that VM isn't very useful by itself.  I suppose that
> > someone like oracle could write a version of oracle to run directly on VM,
> > but VM is really meant to manage system partitioning and the running of
> > other operating systems.  VM is optional, and it is also quite expensive.
> >
> > I've never been sure about the difference of OS/390 and MVS, or wether
> > they were just interchangable terms.  I do know that in the future OS/390
> > will be called z/Os following in like with changing the machine name to
> > the zSeries.
> >
> > That said, OS/390 is compliant enough to be certified unix.  This was a
> > strategic move to help encourage people to port their applications to
> > OS/390.
> >
> > > Of course.  I mean, who is stupid enough to wipe it and pay $100,000 to
> > > have a legit license?  Unless you're the NSA or something, but in that
> > > case you'll either have new or better hardware...
> >
> > Any smart company is going to wipe all incoming hardware.  Further, if you
> > expect to ever derive financial profit from a machine, you should make
> > sure that you have valid licenses for everything on it.
> >
> > --
> > Joshua Boyd
> >
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