[[rescue] flamewar question: Perl]

Kevin Loch rescue at sunhelp.org
Wed Jul 25 12:06:33 CDT 2001


What is the ambient room temperature, and what is the exhaust
temperature?

KL

Sebastian Marius Kirsch wrote:
> 
> ObRescue: Hey, got my SPARCserver 670 running today, in a 3/60 case, so
> it's nice and small! Has some problems, for example the serial console
> doesn't work, as the 3/60 power supply can't supply -12V, and the
> ethernet port is also missing +12V (but this doesn't matter, as I have
> it running from a MAU which can supply the power), but it's a definitive
> improvement over the original case. I slapped Solaris 2.5.1 on it today,
> but I'll have to see whether I can coax 2.6 or 7 into running on it. I
> already have a netboot environment for Solaris, and with Craig Dewick's
> instructions, this should not be too much of a hassle. After that, this
> machine should make a nice NFS server (modulo the graphical console.)
> 
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 01:08:09AM -0400, joshua d boyd wrote:
> > First, isn't haskell also functional?
> 
> Yes, but compared to ML or LISP, it has some really weird bits of
> syntactic sugar, for example a kind of 'map' function that is written as
> an operator: [ f x | x <- xs ] is a list of f applied to all the
> elements of xs. Actually, the classic example is quicksort in Haskell:
> 
> quicksort  []           =  []
> quicksort (x:xs)        =  quicksort [y | y <- xs, y<x ]
>                         ++ [x]
>                         ++ quicksort [y | y <- xs, y>=x]
> 
> Normally, I'm all for syntactic sugar, but this ...
> 
> > Second, not all paradigm jumps are hard.  Picking up OO programming was
> > simple since it is still easy to think of it in procedural terms.
> 
> Yes, because you can see OO programming as a logical consequence of
> imperative programming. But you'll probably not be a very good OO
> programmer if you try to assess it from this point of view. (I know, I
> am. ;-) )
> 
> > I though that alice used TCL (stack based?) as it's programming
> > language.
> 
> We're probably talking about a different language. The Alice I know is
> implemented in Oz. (And Oz and Alice are both VM languages, so you have
> the Alice VM running inside the Oz VM. It's really sick.)
> 
> --
> Yours, Sebastian Kirsch <skirsch at moebius.inka.de>
> 
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