[SunRescue] back to reliable net access in the boonies...

Thu Apr 5 14:19:05 CDT 2001

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I have followed the thread on reliable net access in the boonies and =
have some=20
questions of my own , here they are ...

> > the big expense of co-location there. Most places you can run a =
"empty"
> > two-wire copper feed to your local CO for $20-$60/mo-- drop in your =
own
> > DSL equipment at the CO and at home, (dsl router at home, dsl to =
oc-3

so does that mean i have to pay twice here ... once from my house to the =
Telco and=20
once from the ISP to the telco on their end??? and copper feet between =
the two???

any info here is appreciated...

>I know of at least one mfgr who make sDSL line drivers for about $500
>each and they'll push at leat 56kbps through at least 26,000 feet of
>copper so long as it's all 24 gauge or thicker.  I've got a friend =
who's
>up in an almost rural area near a small town north of here and he's got
>his house connected to his ISP at 512kbps synchronous with them.

sweet ... pairgain makes line drivers but which ones are the  correct =
ones to use?
theirs one on ebay at : =
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1226158541

is this what i need?

>You need to get an engineering study and quote on the copper pair(s)
>from your telco before you go very far with planning though.  Some
>telcos call them alarm circuits, or LDDS, etc.  Once you know the price
>and hopefully the length then you'll know if it's worth the effort.

what is the correct way to ask the phone company for this without them =
frieking out?

does the ISP have to be in the same town?
our ISP is 20 miles from here (but still local phone call) but =
terminates in another=20
building also owned by the same phone company as here..

what kind of DSL modem do i need  on each end?

thanks for all the info.....

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have followed the thread on reliable =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>questions of my own , here they are=20
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<DIV>> > the big expense of co-location there. Most places you can =
run a=20
"empty"<BR>> > two-wire copper feed to your local CO for =
$20-$60/mo-- drop=20
in your own<BR>> > DSL equipment at the CO and at home, (dsl =
router at=20
home, dsl to oc-3</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>so does that mean i have to pay twice =
here ... once=20
from my house to the Telco and </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>once from the ISP to the telco on their =
end??? and=20
copper feet between the two???</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>any info here is =
appreciated...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>>I know of at least one mfgr who make sDSL line drivers for =
about=20
$500<BR>>each and they'll push at leat 56kbps through at least 26,000 =
feet=20
of<BR>>copper so long as it's all 24 gauge or thicker.  I've got =
a=20
friend who's<BR>>up in an almost rural area near a small town north =
of here=20
and he's got<BR>>his house connected to his ISP at 512kbps =
synchronous with=20
them.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>sweet ... pairgain makes line drivers but which ones are the  =
correct=20
ones to use?</DIV>
<DIV>theirs one on ebay at : <A=20
href=3D"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1226=
158541">http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1226=
158541</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>is this what i need?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>>You need to get an engineering study and quote on the copper=20
pair(s)<BR>>from your telco before you go very far with planning=20
though.  Some<BR>>telcos call them alarm circuits, or LDDS, =
etc. =20
Once you know the price<BR>>and hopefully the length then you'll know =
if it's=20
worth the effort.<BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>what is the correct way to ask the =
phone company=20
for this without them frieking out?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>does the ISP have to be in the same=20
town?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>our ISP is 20 miles from here (but =
still local=20
phone </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>call) but terminates in another =

</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>building also owned by the same phone =
company as=20
here..</FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>what kind of DSL modem do i need  =
on each=20
end?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>thanks for all the =
info.....</FONT></DIV>
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