[geeks] [rescue] Guns - what are they good for? - was Re: TME and Apple II and other Drive emulator questions.

[hike]

This is a news story about a robbery on May 19th (2014).
It is interesting and applicable to this thread.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/22/Restaurant-With-No-Weapons
-No-Concealed-Firearms-Sign-Robbed-At-Gunpoint


On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:24 AM, hike <mh1272 at gmail.com> wrote:

> "What has your neighbour been up to? Personally I prefer a more intimate
> form of violence ... I wonder how that auction for the battleaxe is
> going?"
>
> The first thing that I was taught was bDonbt let the attacker get close
to
> youb.
>
> A gun can prevent that, sometimes.  Gun can breach outb a relatively
long
> distance while a knife requires a much closer distanceban armbs length.
By
> sometimes, a LEO Gun & Tactic Trainer told me that most modern gunfights
> are at a distance of 12-15 feet.  Thatbs awfully close AND a
purpose-driven
> attacker can reach you at that distance in 1 second or less.
>
> While I worked with a group from South Philly, they told me, bYou always
> fight a person with a knife; you never fight a person with a gunb.
Thatbs
> one reason why a gun is better.
>
> Now, if you want to harm someone, thatbs a different story.  The closer
> you are tells the LEOs the more personally involved with the victim you
> are.  Thatbs why the ice pick, the Craftsman flat blade screwdriver and
now
> Ikea furniture (??) are dead giveaways for domestic violence.
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Mike Meredith <very at zonky.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 09:50:08 -0400, Phil Stracchino wrote:
>> > As I already pointed out, from the violent crime perspective that's
>> > the wrong question.  The key statistic there is not *guns* per 100,000
>> > population, it's gun *owners* per 100,000 population.  Very, very few
>>
>> I suspect the more useful statistic is how many people have trivial
>> and/or easy access to a firearm; neither guns per capita nor gun owners
>> per capita answer that question, but are attempts to approximate it.
>>
>> > gun collectors are criminals.  If I own 27 firearms, and I murder my
>> > neighbor in a fit of jealous rage, I don't carefully make sure to
>> > shoot him once with each.
>>
>> What has your neighbour been up to? Personally I prefer a more intimate
>> form of violence ... I wonder how that auction for the battleaxe is
>> going?
>>
>> > being used as a murder weapon in a given year.  You will find that the
>> > US compares *VERY* favorably with most of Europe; in fact, in some
>> > European nations, a randomly chosen gun is more than 20 times as
>> > likely to be used as a murder weapon in a given year than a random
>> > gun in the US.
>>
>> Oh, I don't know ... you could argue it the other way. Europeans lead
>> the way in using firearms for what they were intended for - killing
>> people <evil grin>
>>
>> More seriously, I suspect that what that analysis shows is that illegal
>> firearms are used for crime; the risk is too much to hang on the wall,
>> or practice.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mike Meredith (http://zonky.org/)
>>   One test is worth a thousand opinions.
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