[SunHELP] SunHELP Digest, Vol 93, Issue 2

Fredric QJ Blåholtz e5frog at gmail.com
Mon Apr 15 12:37:11 CDT 2013


Thanks for the replies guys. I don't care about the extra space on the 9GB
drive, all I want to do is to put the information from the 1.3GB disk (in
an external housing with it's own power) that is currently not responding
that I have backed up in a binary copy on the disk and have it run from
there instead. So this is not the boot disk, that's sorted already.

As the 1.3GB disk was about to break I can't be 100% sure my backup is OK.
I'll try and see if I can find a second working 2GB something drive and try
that.

Messed with the 9GB today and got past the cylinders and such settings in
the format program. Got a proper SUN1.3G... etc name for it, formatting
didn't work got some error there the analyze part seemed to go through the
"whole" disk according to the too small settings I had set. Disk speed
wasn't possible to set to 7200 even... don't know why it matters.

I'm not used to this system, have never had to do anything like
partitioning a hard drive in anything but a DOS/Windows/Amiga environment
before. The terminology is new and strange sometimes.

So, better look for an old drive and hope a bitcopy will work, otherwise I
guess I need to spend some time with the ST41600N and try and get it to
work properly long enough to grab a proper copy.

/ Fredric


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> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 23:30:31 +0200
> From: Fredric QJ Bl?holtz <e5frog at gmail.com>
> To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> Subject: [SunHELP] Changing hard drives SunOS 4.1.1 Sun4c
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> So, have this Sun Sparcstation 2, the frambuffer broke, bought a
> replacement, the PSU broke, bought a replacement, the external drive
> started acting up, took a backup copy with a clone tool on a PC, internal
> drive started going wacky as well, had to turn it on it's side to make it
> work... have swapped the NVRAM as well, hacked with an external battery.
>
> So, soon there are no original parts left.
>
> I used the EaseUs hard drive clone tool from a Ultimate Boot CD, got an old
> 2.25GB drive and successfully made a copy that it booted from. Got the
> panic copy of the external drive with the same program, only option at the
> time was an SD-card in a SCSI-card reader and pointing a fan to the
> external hard drive (5.25" huge monster) at a pair of circuits going hot.
>
> Disks in that size isn't very easy to come buy at reasonable price so when
> a friend offered a 9GB hard drive with a 68 pin connector and a 50 pin
> adapter I tried it out. Copying from the original giant sized drive didn't
> want to work again so I ran the EaseUs program from the UBCD 5.1.1 with the
> SD-card instead. Went fine, no errors.
>
> After hooking it to the Sparcstation 2 it wasn't accepted, complained about
> the header - seems it wasn't what it was supposed to be, found some tip
> about replacing a missing header and checked the format command but got
> stuck when it asked for cylinders etc, couldn't find any proper information
> about that and I haven't dealt with it since I added hard drives to my
> Amiga in the early 90's.
>
> So I quit, took a look at the drive in WinHex with the drive hooked to a
> SCSI-card in the PC. The header was emptied out, the previous "SUN1.3G cyl
> 1965 alt 2 hd 17 sec 80 etc etc" wasn't there any more, possibly the format
> command erases that even before you have entered any information?
>
> The 9GB drive seem to have been found but is there any idea to keep trying
> with that, is it likely it will work?
> How come the 2.25GB drive worked with a binary copy, the header (at least
> was) "SUN1.05 cyl 2036 alt 2 hd 14 sec 72" and wasn't correct either. I
> assumed it used the drive like it had that geometry and simply didn't care
> about the rest of the hard drive.
>
> I have filled the 9GB drive with $FF and will attempt to write the binary
> data back again, hope it will make a difference.
>
> I'm not interested in updating stuff, installing other OS or similar, want
> to keep the same data, just swap to functional drives. I only keep this
> computer around so I can access that one program I need old data from from
> time to time.
>
>
> I have the data that's going to be on the drive (I assume it's correct as
> it was copied with no errors), just need a compatible drive or the correct
> procedure to put it there.
> Any sane advice about this would be most helpful, these hard drives don't
> hold on forever.
>
> / Fredric the newcomer.
> --
> __________________________________
> * Fairchild Channel F collector extraordinaire *
> http://channelf.se - The Gallery of Channel F
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 18:30:08 -0600
> From: Brad Walker <bwalker at musings.com>
> To: The SunHELP List <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
> Subject: Re: [SunHELP] Changing hard drives SunOS 4.1.1 Sun4c
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> SunOS 4.1.1 only support 32 bit filesystems. Therefore your partition sizes
> can't exceed 4GB in size. I would partition this into a 3GB root, 512MB
> swap, 1 GB /usr, and 3.5 GB /opt. Or something like this.
>
> Then then "dump | restore xfi -" from the old disk to the new one should
> make it work.
>
> But, your problem boils down to a the 32 bit filesystem limit.
>
> -brad w.
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Fredric QJ Bleholtz <e5frog at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > So, have this Sun Sparcstation 2, the frambuffer broke, bought a
> > replacement, the PSU broke, bought a replacement, the external drive
> > started acting up, took a backup copy with a clone tool on a PC, internal
> > drive started going wacky as well, had to turn it on it's side to make it
> > work... have swapped the NVRAM as well, hacked with an external battery.
> >
> > So, soon there are no original parts left.
> >
> > I used the EaseUs hard drive clone tool from a Ultimate Boot CD, got an
> old
> > 2.25GB drive and successfully made a copy that it booted from. Got the
> > panic copy of the external drive with the same program, only option at
> the
> > time was an SD-card in a SCSI-card reader and pointing a fan to the
> > external hard drive (5.25" huge monster) at a pair of circuits going hot.
> >
> > Disks in that size isn't very easy to come buy at reasonable price so
> when
> > a friend offered a 9GB hard drive with a 68 pin connector and a 50 pin
> > adapter I tried it out. Copying from the original giant sized drive
> didn't
> > want to work again so I ran the EaseUs program from the UBCD 5.1.1 with
> the
> > SD-card instead. Went fine, no errors.
> >
> > After hooking it to the Sparcstation 2 it wasn't accepted, complained
> about
> > the header - seems it wasn't what it was supposed to be, found some tip
> > about replacing a missing header and checked the format command but got
> > stuck when it asked for cylinders etc, couldn't find any proper
> information
> > about that and I haven't dealt with it since I added hard drives to my
> > Amiga in the early 90's.
> >
> > So I quit, took a look at the drive in WinHex with the drive hooked to a
> > SCSI-card in the PC. The header was emptied out, the previous "SUN1.3G
> cyl
> > 1965 alt 2 hd 17 sec 80 etc etc" wasn't there any more, possibly the
> format
> > command erases that even before you have entered any information?
> >
> > The 9GB drive seem to have been found but is there any idea to keep
> trying
> > with that, is it likely it will work?
> > How come the 2.25GB drive worked with a binary copy, the header (at least
> > was) "SUN1.05 cyl 2036 alt 2 hd 14 sec 72" and wasn't correct either. I
> > assumed it used the drive like it had that geometry and simply didn't
> care
> > about the rest of the hard drive.
> >
> > I have filled the 9GB drive with $FF and will attempt to write the binary
> > data back again, hope it will make a difference.
> >
> > I'm not interested in updating stuff, installing other OS or similar,
> want
> > to keep the same data, just swap to functional drives. I only keep this
> > computer around so I can access that one program I need old data from
> from
> > time to time.
> >
> >
> > I have the data that's going to be on the drive (I assume it's correct as
> > it was copied with no errors), just need a compatible drive or the
> correct
> > procedure to put it there.
> > Any sane advice about this would be most helpful, these hard drives don't
> > hold on forever.
> >
> > / Fredric the newcomer.
> > --
> > __________________________________
> > * Fairchild Channel F collector extraordinaire *
> > http://channelf.se - The Gallery of Channel F
> > _______________________________________________
> > SunHELP maillist  -  SunHELP at sunhelp.org
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:45:41 -0400 (EDT)
> From: adh at an.bradford.ma.us (Sandwich Maker)
> To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: [SunHELP] Changing hard drives SunOS 4.1.1 Sun4c
> Message-ID: <201304150145.r3F1jfF09919 at an.bradford.ma.us>
>
> " From: Brad Walker <bwalker at musings.com>
> "
> " SunOS 4.1.1 only support 32 bit filesystems. Therefore your partition
> sizes
> " can't exceed 4GB in size.
>
> 2G, in sunos4.  i suspect signed arithmetic.
>
> " I would partition this into a 3GB root, 512MB
> " swap, 1 GB /usr, and 3.5 GB /opt. Or something like this.
>
> there's not much you can do with root in sunos4; i wouldn't waste that
> much on it, and afaik /opt was a sVr4 / solaris2 invention.  i'd make
> /var separate.
>
> i don't recall if home dirs were under /home or /export as in
> solaris2, but that's the places i'd put big slices.
>
> but for this job fred would probably be satisfied just cloning his
> original fs layout, if not the exact sizes.
>
> " Then then "dump | restore xfi -" from the old disk to the new one should
> " make it work.
>
> that's the fastest copy i know of short of dd, which is geometry
> dependent.  remember to partition and format the target disk first...
>
> " But, your problem boils down to a the 32 bit filesystem limit.
>
> yup, 2G slices, and no more than 8 of them on a disk, unless you have
> disksuite 1.  any se disk should work, and most lvd can fall back to
> se, though you'll have to feed the geometry to format if it you can't
> match it to one of the disks sun used, or use john dimarco's master
> format.dat
> ftp://ftp.cs.toronto.edu/pub/jdd/sunmanagers/format.dat
> or scsiinfo
> ftp://ftp.cs.toronto.edu/pub/jdd/scsiinfo/
>
> " On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Fredric QJ Bleholtz <e5frog at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> "
> " > So, have this Sun Sparcstation 2, the frambuffer broke, bought a
> " > replacement, the PSU broke, bought a replacement, the external drive
> " > started acting up, took a backup copy with a clone tool on a PC,
> internal
> " > drive started going wacky as well, had to turn it on it's side to make
> it
> " > work... have swapped the NVRAM as well, hacked with an external
> battery.
> " >
> " > So, soon there are no original parts left.
> " >
> " > I used the EaseUs hard drive clone tool from a Ultimate Boot CD, got
> an old
> " > 2.25GB drive and successfully made a copy that it booted from. Got the
> " > panic copy of the external drive with the same program, only option at
> the
> " > time was an SD-card in a SCSI-card reader and pointing a fan to the
> " > external hard drive (5.25" huge monster) at a pair of circuits going
> hot.
> " >
> " > Disks in that size isn't very easy to come buy at reasonable price so
> when
> " > a friend offered a 9GB hard drive with a 68 pin connector and a 50 pin
> " > adapter I tried it out. Copying from the original giant sized drive
> didn't
> " > want to work again so I ran the EaseUs program from the UBCD 5.1.1
> with the
> " > SD-card instead. Went fine, no errors.
> " >
> " > After hooking it to the Sparcstation 2 it wasn't accepted, complained
> about
> " > the header - seems it wasn't what it was supposed to be, found some tip
> " > about replacing a missing header and checked the format command but got
> " > stuck when it asked for cylinders etc, couldn't find any proper
> information
> " > about that and I haven't dealt with it since I added hard drives to my
> " > Amiga in the early 90's.
> " >
> " > So I quit, took a look at the drive in WinHex with the drive hooked to
> a
> " > SCSI-card in the PC. The header was emptied out, the previous "SUN1.3G
> cyl
> " > 1965 alt 2 hd 17 sec 80 etc etc" wasn't there any more, possibly the
> format
> " > command erases that even before you have entered any information?
> " >
> " > The 9GB drive seem to have been found but is there any idea to keep
> trying
> " > with that, is it likely it will work?
> " > How come the 2.25GB drive worked with a binary copy, the header (at
> least
> " > was) "SUN1.05 cyl 2036 alt 2 hd 14 sec 72" and wasn't correct either. I
> " > assumed it used the drive like it had that geometry and simply didn't
> care
> " > about the rest of the hard drive.
> " >
> " > I have filled the 9GB drive with $FF and will attempt to write the
> binary
> " > data back again, hope it will make a difference.
> " >
> " > I'm not interested in updating stuff, installing other OS or similar,
> want
> " > to keep the same data, just swap to functional drives. I only keep this
> " > computer around so I can access that one program I need old data from
> from
> " > time to time.
> " >
> " >
> " > I have the data that's going to be on the drive (I assume it's correct
> as
> " > it was copied with no errors), just need a compatible drive or the
> correct
> " > procedure to put it there.
> " > Any sane advice about this would be most helpful, these hard drives
> don't
> " > hold on forever.
> " >
> " > / Fredric the newcomer.
> " > --
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
> internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
> adh at an.bradford.ma.us                       and think what none thought
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:06:30 -0600
> From: Brad Walker <bwalker at musings.com>
> To: The SunHELP List <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
> Subject: Re: [SunHELP] Changing hard drives SunOS 4.1.1 Sun4c
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> It's been a really long time since I worked on the kernel for SunOS. I
> stand corrected. I could have sworn it was unsigned values. Anyways..
>
> But, what adh recommends is the right path to take.
>
> -brad w.
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Sandwich Maker <adh at an.bradford.ma.us
> >wrote:
>
> > " From: Brad Walker <bwalker at musings.com>
> > "
> > " SunOS 4.1.1 only support 32 bit filesystems. Therefore your partition
> > sizes
> > " can't exceed 4GB in size.
> >
> > 2G, in sunos4.  i suspect signed arithmetic.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:32:10 +0100
> From: Peter Stokes <peter at ashlyn.co.uk>
> To: The SunHELP List <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
> Subject: Re: [SunHELP] Changing hard drives SunOS 4.1.1 Sun4c
> Message-ID: <B9A1D37E-B525-4D5E-8C2B-D1AFFE469F34 at ashlyn.co.uk>
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>
> Hi Fredric
>
> Just to confirm previous poster, 2Gb filesystems is your max (this is all
> from
> memory, so feel free to correct me). 8 slices per disk, so max usable is
> 16Gb
> per disk. I never used disksuite on this O/S so not sure if that would
> extend
> (version of Veritas?).
>
> You are correct in thinking that if you recover an image of a 1Gb disk
> onto a
> larger disk, the system will still think you have a 1Gb disk, the label is
> what is used to determine disk and slice sizes. So you can use your 9gb as
> a
> 1Gb no problem.
>
> Any new disk can be large (I forget the limit, but > 9Gb), but limit your
> slice sizes to 2Gb max.
>
> As for dump/restore copies, after restore you would have to install a boot
> on
> the disk. Also dump will require parameters as the default from what I
> remember assumes 150Mb tape sizing.
>
> One way to solve this is to hook up a SCSI CD (Set to SCSI ID 6) and boot
> 4.1.X CD and make a fresh install on new disk, then mount the old disk onto
> new filesystem. Then you should be able to copy your progs across etc.
>
> I have the ISOs for the old system,s if you need them.
>
> Peter
> ---------------------------
> Peter Stokes
> Ashlyn Computer Services
> Tel: 01636 627990
> Mbl: 07977 532320
> ---------------------------
>
>
>
> On 15 Apr 2013, at 02:45, adh at an.bradford.ma.us (Sandwich Maker) wrote:
>
> > " From: Brad Walker <bwalker at musings.com>
> > "
> > " SunOS 4.1.1 only support 32 bit filesystems. Therefore your partition
> sizes
> > " can't exceed 4GB in size.
> >
> > 2G, in sunos4.  i suspect signed arithmetic.
> >
> > " I would partition this into a 3GB root, 512MB
> > " swap, 1 GB /usr, and 3.5 GB /opt. Or something like this.
> >
> > there's not much you can do with root in sunos4; i wouldn't waste that
> > much on it, and afaik /opt was a sVr4 / solaris2 invention.  i'd make
> > /var separate.
> >
> > i don't recall if home dirs were under /home or /export as in
> > solaris2, but that's the places i'd put big slices.
> >
> > but for this job fred would probably be satisfied just cloning his
> > original fs layout, if not the exact sizes.
> >
> > " Then then "dump | restore xfi -" from the old disk to the new one
> should
> > " make it work.
> >
> > that's the fastest copy i know of short of dd, which is geometry
> > dependent.  remember to partition and format the target disk first...
> >
> > " But, your problem boils down to a the 32 bit filesystem limit.
> >
> > yup, 2G slices, and no more than 8 of them on a disk, unless you have
> > disksuite 1.  any se disk should work, and most lvd can fall back to
> > se, though you'll have to feed the geometry to format if it you can't
> > match it to one of the disks sun used, or use john dimarco's master
> > format.dat
> > ftp://ftp.cs.toronto.edu/pub/jdd/sunmanagers/format.dat
> > or scsiinfo
> > ftp://ftp.cs.toronto.edu/pub/jdd/scsiinfo/
> >
> > " On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Fredric QJ Bleholtz
> <e5frog at gmail.com>wrote:
> > "
> > " > So, have this Sun Sparcstation 2, the frambuffer broke, bought a
> > " > replacement, the PSU broke, bought a replacement, the external drive
> > " > started acting up, took a backup copy with a clone tool on a PC,
> internal
> > " > drive started going wacky as well, had to turn it on it's side to
> make
> it
> > " > work... have swapped the NVRAM as well, hacked with an external
> battery.
> > " >
> > " > So, soon there are no original parts left.
> > " >
> > " > I used the EaseUs hard drive clone tool from a Ultimate Boot CD, got
> an
> old
> > " > 2.25GB drive and successfully made a copy that it booted from. Got
> the
> > " > panic copy of the external drive with the same program, only option
> at
> the
> > " > time was an SD-card in a SCSI-card reader and pointing a fan to the
> > " > external hard drive (5.25" huge monster) at a pair of circuits going
> hot.
> > " >
> > " > Disks in that size isn't very easy to come buy at reasonable price so
> when
> > " > a friend offered a 9GB hard drive with a 68 pin connector and a 50
> pin
> > " > adapter I tried it out. Copying from the original giant sized drive
> didn't
> > " > want to work again so I ran the EaseUs program from the UBCD 5.1.1
> with
> the
> > " > SD-card instead. Went fine, no errors.
> > " >
> > " > After hooking it to the Sparcstation 2 it wasn't accepted, complained
> about
> > " > the header - seems it wasn't what it was supposed to be, found some
> tip
> > " > about replacing a missing header and checked the format command but
> got
> > " > stuck when it asked for cylinders etc, couldn't find any proper
> information
> > " > about that and I haven't dealt with it since I added hard drives to
> my
> > " > Amiga in the early 90's.
> > " >
> > " > So I quit, took a look at the drive in WinHex with the drive hooked
> to
> a
> > " > SCSI-card in the PC. The header was emptied out, the previous
> "SUN1.3G
> cyl
> > " > 1965 alt 2 hd 17 sec 80 etc etc" wasn't there any more, possibly the
> format
> > " > command erases that even before you have entered any information?
> > " >
> > " > The 9GB drive seem to have been found but is there any idea to keep
> trying
> > " > with that, is it likely it will work?
> > " > How come the 2.25GB drive worked with a binary copy, the header (at
> least
> > " > was) "SUN1.05 cyl 2036 alt 2 hd 14 sec 72" and wasn't correct
> either. I
> > " > assumed it used the drive like it had that geometry and simply didn't
> care
> > " > about the rest of the hard drive.
> > " >
> > " > I have filled the 9GB drive with $FF and will attempt to write the
> binary
> > " > data back again, hope it will make a difference.
> > " >
> > " > I'm not interested in updating stuff, installing other OS or similar,
> want
> > " > to keep the same data, just swap to functional drives. I only keep
> this
> > " > computer around so I can access that one program I need old data from
> from
> > " > time to time.
> > " >
> > " >
> > " > I have the data that's going to be on the drive (I assume it's
> correct
> as
> > " > it was copied with no errors), just need a compatible drive or the
> correct
> > " > procedure to put it there.
> > " > Any sane advice about this would be most helpful, these hard drives
> don't
> > " > hold on forever.
> > " >
> > " > / Fredric the newcomer.
> > " > --
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
> > internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
> > adh at an.bradford.ma.us                       and think what none thought
> > _______________________________________________
> > SunHELP maillist  -  SunHELP at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/sunhelp
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:05:12 -0400 (EDT)
> From: adh at an.bradford.ma.us (Sandwich Maker)
> To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: [SunHELP] Changing hard drives SunOS 4.1.1 Sun4c
> Message-ID: <201304151305.r3FD5CD12425 at an.bradford.ma.us>
>
> " From: Peter Stokes <peter at ashlyn.co.uk>
> "
> " Hi Fredric
> "
> " Just to confirm previous poster, 2Gb filesystems is your max (this is
> all from
> " memory, so feel free to correct me). 8 slices per disk, so max usable is
> 16Gb
> " per disk. I never used disksuite on this O/S so not sure if that would
> extend
> " (version of Veritas?).
>
> disksuite 1 patched the kernel to allow larger slices, but still only
> 8 of them.  i remember it was released for 4.1.3 and the install
> script had to be patched to install on 4.1.4.  disksuite 2 and up were
> for solaris 2.
>
> there was a version of veritas, but that was another product.
>
> but this is tangential to fred's issue, i think.  he probably
> doesn't need a 'large' [in sunos4 terms] disk.  it is getting harder
> to find drives that aren't 'large', though.
>
> " From: Brad Walker <bwalker at musings.com>
> "
> "
> " On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Sandwich Maker <adh at an.bradford.ma.us
> >wrote:
> "
> " > " From: Brad Walker <bwalker at musings.com>
> " > "
> " > " SunOS 4.1.1 only support 32 bit filesystems. Therefore your partition
> " > sizes
> " > " can't exceed 4GB in size.
> " >
> " > 2G, in sunos4.  i suspect signed arithmetic.
> "
> " It's been a really long time since I worked on the kernel for SunOS. I
> " stand corrected. I could have sworn it was unsigned values. Anyways..
>
> it should've been, but when they wrote the code they probably never
> imagined the code would live long enough to make a difference, or they
> cleverly used negative values to indicate error conditions.
>
> i don't actually know if the cause is signed arith, only that the
> limit is 2G.
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