[SunHELP] Re: Terrorism

Sun Sep 16 20:38:02 CDT 2001

Agreed.

To take server administration analogy, a server problem may have two
differing and opposing views between the users and administrator and most of
the time it's the administrator that has better knowledge and understanding
of the system and has a clear view of the problem, the cause, the effect,
the necessary tuning etc.

I am muslim living on the other side of the world and I am always on Islam
side, and Islam as I know it has no place for terrorist, murderers,
oppressors, aggressors etc. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Muhammad Harisun (EID) [mailto:Muhammad.Harisun at eid.ericsson.se]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 8:52 pagi
To: 'sunhelp at sunhelp.org'
Subject: RE: [SunHELP] Re: Terrorism

Hi folk ....

Do not debate anything that has led dispute each other. I would advise that
we agree to disagree on something but we have common sense that judging who
is right or wrong. why don't we just start from ourselves to build up living
in harmony no mather how different we are.

Cheers 

 Hari 
( sound of Peace from Indonesia ) 

-----Original Message-----
From: faisal gillani [mailto:fasi_74 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 5:32 PM
To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunHELP] Re: Terrorism

Hello there everyone ....

 First of all they dont know for sure that usama did
it it is not necessory he did it ....
Well i am a muslim from Pakistan & all you guys are
network admins so your job is to find the root of the
problem right ?
have you ever consider why muslims do this ? mainly
cause of your policy in middle east ,why after a
decard of gulf war US troops are still sitting there ?
why dont US say anything to israel on killing inoceent
poeple instead you back them up ... lets face it USA
are greedy for all the major business are own by jews
& they dont have the balls to say no to them ... you
know since the gulf war 30000 children only have died
in iraq because of sangtions alone. where is your
hearts then huh ?
There are so many muslim killed all over the world
palistine , kashmir, checnia bosnia etc etc but you
guys dont care ... but cause Americans died you want
every country to react to it huh ?
as it is said in quran "our holy book" you guys are
blind .
so now America is  going to attack afganistan right
... well let me tell you one thing all of afganistan
doesnt have a building in the whole country that is
more expensive then a cruise missile ..
i dont think US will drop ground troops in there cause
see the result USSR faced when it did so it was a
superpower then .. so lets see even if you kill usama
i promise you a dazon more usama will come out ..
seriously what can you take away from a man who is
prepaired to give his life away ..please find out why
is he giving his life away ? for a act of terror ?
US called the terroist cawords  but what do you think
a person playing with a remote control guiding a
cruise missile
or a person wearing a built proof everything shooting
bulits on children throwing stones are !!!???

thanks
Faisal

--- Fred Dikeman <fred at workstation.net> wrote:
> Your right, attacking terrorists with with swift,
> violent and merciless
> retaliation wont stop them but it sure as hell will
> make them think twice.
> The Israeli's have used this methodology very
> effectively.
> 
> American isolationist pacifism in WWII cost our
> allies tens of thousands of
> lives.    We have taken the peace loving person
> approach for years while our
> embassy personnel have been held hostage,
> assassinated, kidnapped tortured and
> hung , multiple embassies bombed,  two military
> barracks bombed, a naval ship
> bombed.  Over a 1000 Americans dead.  Now there are
> 5000 American dead on our
> own soil.  At what point do you draw the line Bob? 
> When your afraid to go to
> a baseball game, visit the Capitol in Washington,
> put your daughter on an
> airplane or maybe just going to the grocery store?
> 
> Thomas Cameron wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Bob Minvielle wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > My only hope is that the bulk of the population
> does not
> > > think about retribution just yet, and that we
> think clearly
> > > about our future. I am a peace loving person,
> and personally
> > > agree with what history has shown us: Attacking
> terrorists
> > > does not stop terrorism.
> >
> > Bullshit.  I'm a peace-loving person, as well, but
> these bastards have
> > murdered thousands of US and other countries'
> citizens.  I hope that we
> > bomb the terrorists and anyone who aided them back
> into the stone age.
> >
> > > We need to talk to others, in our country and
> especially others
> > > about how to more secure ourselves against this
> sort of attack.
> > > Anyone been through an airport as of late? I can
> tell you
> > > that we, ourselves, are mostly to blame for this
> tragedy.
> >
> > You are one sick person.  How dare you make a
> statement like this?  I bet
> > a rapist's defense attorney would LOVE to have you
> on the jury.  We are
> > not to blame here - these scum are to blame.  If
> we are guilty of
> > anything, it is of being open and allowing lots of
> personal freedom.
> > Maybe because we as a country are good, we expect
> that from others, and we
> > let our gaurd down.
> >
> > > Do not get me wrong, this is horrific, and I
> mourn those
> > > lost... at the same time, we should not act with
> haste or
> > > anger, but look rationally at what has happened
> and see what
> > > peaceful means we can take to prevent it in the
> future.
> >
> > Statements like this make me sick.  We should
> react - quickly, violently,
> > and with no mercy whatsoever.  We are the
> strongest nation in the world,
> > but we have been entirely too kind and forgiving
> as regards to terrorists.
> > That must stop.  Potential terrorists should
> believe that anyone, anywhere
> > is safe from these acts, because these acts will
> bring down punishment too
> > terrible to imagine.
> >
> > While I totally disagree with your opinion, I
> staunchly support your right
> > to express it.  I think you would not find that
> under the Taliban, and
> > others of their ilk.
> >
> > --
> >                     --  Thomas Cameron  --
> >     Red Hat Certified Engineer --  TurboLinux
> Certified Trainer
> >              --    Certified NetWare Engineer --
> > Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer -- Microsoft
> Certified Trainer
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