[rescue] Disposable electronics is unsustainable - Re: rescue Digest, Vol 135, Issue 8

[hike]

1930bs-1960bs saw a tremendous number of people working with old-style
radios.  Heathkit was in its prime and everybody tried their hand.  Ham
radios were built and not bought.  The USA space program and all the
miniturization created the complexity and schools stopped teaching this
type of stuff.  It was the time before belectronicsb became the norm.
Ibm
older than dirt and remember these things.


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Nick B <nick at pelagiris.org> wrote:

> Either your idea of "average" people is very different from mine, or you've
> never done tech support...
> I'm not sure I'd trust 1 in 10 people to solder, much less solder on a
> modern multi-layer mostly-SMD board.
> Nick
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:07 PM, hike <mh1272 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The skill set required to successfully repair the failed caps is limited
> to
> > a small set of people these days.  Once, the average person could do this
> > but not today.  I took electronics technology in high school but it was
> not
> > a practical course like tv/radio/stereo repair courses.  I never learned
> to
> > solder since I didnb t play with these things.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Lionel Peterson <lionel4287 at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah, the 'living wage' of the person that will replace that 18 cent
> > > resistor or $2 handful of caps. I don't mean that as an attack on
> living
> > > wages per se, but that is the barrier. If those handful of failed parts
> > > were user-replaceable that would be one thing (think tube TVs and tube
> > > testers in local stores), but that is not the case.
> > >
> > > Lionel
> > >
> > > On Thursday, February 13, 2014, Toby Thain <toby at telegraphics.com.au>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 13/02/14 2:09 AM, Mouse wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> The cost of repair for a small business is more than the cost of a
> > > >>>>> new LCD monitor.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> That's completely dysfunctional and we should work to change it.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >> By making new ones more expensive, or making repairs cheaper?  In
> > > >> either case, how?
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Both.
> > > >
> > > > A $100 (probably not a sustainable price, given that it's full of
> > > > nonrenewables) screen that is held hostage by an 18c resistor (in one
> > > case
> > > > of a 24" Samsung that probably cost $400+) or $2 worth of caps ...
> does
> > > > anyone see a problem here?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>  It might not even be true.  Peter just said he fixed a bunch.
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes...at what cost?  I'm four for four, I think it is, at fixing LCD
> > > >> flatscreens by re-capping. ...
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes, the current state is unsustainable in various ways.  But I have
> > > >> trouble seeing any way it's likely to change short of actually
> running
> > > >> into its unsustainability. ...
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > That's assured.
> > > >
> > > > Human nature's great, eh.
> > > >
> > > > --T
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