[rescue] rescue Digest, Vol 145, Issue 11
Chase Rayfield
cusbrar2 at yahoo.com
Tue Dec 9 08:41:29 CST 2014
The only USB adapters I have ever seen were CompactFlash adapters which is
just small form factor 16Bit pcimcia... I have a wifi adapter and 3g adapter I
want to try in my sparcbook also that way...
Paradox SolarExpress PDA II and Ratoc CFU and CFU2 are the models I know of
off the top of my head I think they may use the same chip but not sure.
There is some good info in the comments at the header of this netbsd driver
source file as well.
http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-current/src/sys/dev/ic/sl811hs.c
Chase
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B 1. Re: PCMCIA and sbus (Arno Kletzander)
B 2. Re: PCMCIA and sbus (Jonathan Katz)
B 3. Re: PCMCIA and sbus (Stephen Conley)
B 4. Re: PCMCIA and sbus (Jonathan Katz)
B 5. Re: PCMCIA and sbus (Barry Callahan)
B 6. Re: PCMCIA and sbus (Hauke Fath)
B 7. Re: PCMCIA and sbus (Lionel Peterson)
B 8. Re: PCMCIA and sbus (Lionel Peterson)
B 9. Re: PCMCIA and sbus (Barry Callahan)
B 10. Re: PCMCIA and sbus (Andrew Jones)
B 11. Re: PCMCIA and sbus (Joshua Boyd)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 19:07:17 +0100
From: "Arno Kletzander" <Arno_1983 at gmx.de>
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Subject: Re: [rescue] PCMCIA and sbus
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 16:14:16 +0100, Jonathan Katz <jon at jonworld.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> Has anyone with a sun4u or sun4m system gone from sbus->PCMCIA->USB to
> access peripherals (printers, storage, etc?) What OSes and what
> peripherals have you used? It would be interesting/fun to be able to
> use USB sticks on a Sparc 20.
>
> --
> -Jon
Hmm, a few years ago, on a different mailing list and inspired by some
of those anachronistic peripherals that the enthusiast community keeps
creating for vintage computers, I had already wondered aloud whether it
might be feasible and useful to construct a USB HBA for sbus machines.
Due to lack of time and knowledge, I haven't pursued that endeavour for
myself and probably won't be able to do so anytime soon, but perhaps
somebody with more cycles to spare will entertain the idea as well.
So long,
Arno
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 19:31:53 +0100
From: Jonathan Katz <jon at jonworld.com>
To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Subject: Re: [rescue] PCMCIA and sbus
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On Dec 8, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Barry Callahan <barryc at rjlsystems.com> wrote:
> "PC Card" is a friendlier name for the physical format.
> "PCMCIA" is 16-bit ISA.
> "CardBus" is 32-bit PCI.
Why does it have to be ISA? PCMCIA (even CardBus) should dumb-down to the
older format/data rate, right? As long as there are drivers for the USB
controller in Solaris, it should see the USB controller on the PCMCIA bus,
right?
There are the LynnSoft drivers, too.
http://www.lynnsoft.com/PCCard4Solaris.htm
<http://www.lynnsoft.com/PCCard4Solaris.htm>
Anyone have a 501-2367 available and wouldnbt mind shipping to Belgium? :)
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:36:47 -0500
From: Stephen Conley <cheetah at tanabi.org>
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Subject: Re: [rescue] PCMCIA and sbus
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I seem to recall CardBus had like a 'crown' of bumps near the
connector that made it physically impossible to put into a 16 bit
slot, though it's been a really long time since I've used this stuff.
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Jonathan Katz <jon at jonworld.com> wrote:
> On Dec 8, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Barry Callahan <barryc at rjlsystems.com> wrote:
>> "PC Card" is a friendlier name for the physical format.
>> "PCMCIA" is 16-bit ISA.
>> "CardBus" is 32-bit PCI.
>
> Why does it have to be ISA? PCMCIA (even CardBus) should dumb-down to the
> older format/data rate, right? As long as there are drivers for the USB
> controller in Solaris, it should see the USB controller on the PCMCIA bus,
> right?
>
> There are the LynnSoft drivers, too.
>
> http://www.lynnsoft.com/PCCard4Solaris.htm
> <http://www.lynnsoft.com/PCCard4Solaris.htm>
>
> Anyone have a 501-2367 available and wouldnb t mind shipping to Belgium? :)
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 19:44:47 +0100
From: Jonathan Katz <jon at jonworld.com>
To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Subject: Re: [rescue] PCMCIA and sbus
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On Dec 8, 2014, at 7:36 PM, Stephen Conley <cheetah at tanabi.org> wrote:
> I seem to recall CardBus had like a 'crown' of bumps near the
> connector that made it physically impossible to put into a 16 bit
> slot, though it's been a really long time since I've used this stuff.
If this has a generic-enough chipset, it may just fit the billb&
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Port-USB-2-0-Hub-to-CardBus-PCMCIA-PC-Card-Adapter-
For-32-Bit-Notebook-Laptop-/261347646511
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Port-USB-2-0-Hub-to-CardBus-PCMCIA-PC-Card-Adapter
-For-32-Bit-Notebook-Laptop-/261347646511>
I wonbt have any disposable income to play with this until February,
anyway.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:15:06 -0500
From: Barry Callahan <barryc at rjlsystems.com>
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Subject: Re: [rescue] PCMCIA and sbus
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Save your money, Jon.
If the slot is a 16-bit PCMCIA slot, you **CAN NOT** plug a 32-bit
CardBus card into it. As Stephen pointed out, there are bumps that will
stop you from slotting it in.
If you had a 32-bit slot and plugged a 16-bit card into it, the 32-bit
controller will fail over to 16-bit mode and everything will work.
On 12/8/2014 1:44 PM, Jonathan Katz wrote:
> On Dec 8, 2014, at 7:36 PM, Stephen Conley <cheetah at tanabi.org> wrote:
>> I seem to recall CardBus had like a 'crown' of bumps near the
>> connector that made it physically impossible to put into a 16 bit
>> slot, though it's been a really long time since I've used this stuff.
> If this has a generic-enough chipset, it may just fit the billb&
>
>
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Port-USB-2-0-Hub-to-CardBus-PCMCIA-PC-Card-Adapter-
> For-32-Bit-Notebook-Laptop-/261347646511
>
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Port-USB-2-0-Hub-to-CardBus-PCMCIA-PC-Card-Adapter
> -For-32-Bit-Notebook-Laptop-/261347646511>
>
> I wonbt have any disposable income to play with this until February,
> anyway.
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 21:41:43 +0100
From: Hauke Fath <hauke at Espresso.Rhein-Neckar.DE>
To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Subject: Re: [rescue] PCMCIA and sbus
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 16:14:16 +0100, Jonathan Katz wrote:
> Has anyone with a sun4u or sun4m system gone from sbus->PCMCIA->USB to
> access peripherals (printers, storage, etc?)
PCMCIA is 16 bit wide (basically an ISA derivate). For all I know,
there has never been an USB controller for ISA.
hauke
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 18:41:38 -0600
From: Lionel Peterson <lionel4287 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [rescue] PCMCIA and sbus
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The 'bumps' were to ground the 'high speed' card to the laptop, I always
assumed...
The thing that kept card us cards out of PCMCIA slots were grooves along the
side of the card as I remember.
Lionel
> On Dec 8, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Stephen Conley <cheetah at tanabi.org> wrote:
>
> I seem to recall CardBus had like a 'crown' of bumps near the
> connector that made it physically impossible to put into a 16 bit
> slot,
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 18:45:03 -0600
From: Lionel Peterson <lionel4287 at gmail.com>
To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Subject: Re: [rescue] PCMCIA and sbus
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There were Sun4U systems with USB as I recall, but they were post-U60 era
systems.
My V240 and my SB2000 (and SB100?) have USB IIRC.
Lionel
> On Dec 8, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Patrick Finnegan <pat at computer-refuge.org>
wrote:
>
> Has anyone with a sun4u or sun4m system gone from sbus->PCMCIA->USB to
> access peripherals (printers, storage, etc?)
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 20:03:16 -0500
From: Barry Callahan <barryc at rjlsystems.com>
To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Subject: Re: [rescue] PCMCIA and sbus
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I installed a usb card in an ultra-5. Just had to find a controller on the
HAL.
On December 8, 2014 7:45:03 PM EST, Lionel Peterson <lionel4287 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>There were Sun4U systems with USB as I recall, but they were post-U60
>era
>systems.
>
>My V240 and my SB2000 (and SB100?) have USB IIRC.
>
>Lionel
>
>> On Dec 8, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Patrick Finnegan
><pat at computer-refuge.org>
>wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone with a sun4u or sun4m system gone from sbus->PCMCIA->USB
>to
>> access peripherals (printers, storage, etc?)
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:37:08 -0500
From: Andrew Jones <andrew at jones.ec>
To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Subject: Re: [rescue] PCMCIA and sbus
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On 12/08/2014 07:45 PM, Lionel Peterson wrote:
> There were Sun4U systems with USB as I recall, but they were post-U60 era
> systems.
>
> My V240 and my SB2000 (and SB100?) have USB IIRC.
>
> Lionel
Has anyone gotten USB keyboards/mice working on older PCI systems?
I can put a USB card in a PCI Sun pretty easily, but lack of firmware
support for USB HID makes it kinda pointless.B B B
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 07:08:21 +0000
From: Joshua Boyd <jdboyd at jdboyd.net>
To: The Rescue List <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Subject: Re: [rescue] PCMCIA and sbus
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On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 09:37:08PM -0500, Andrew Jones wrote:
> On 12/08/2014 07:45 PM, Lionel Peterson wrote:
> >There were Sun4U systems with USB as I recall, but they were post-U60 era
> >systems.
> >
> >My V240 and my SB2000 (and SB100?) have USB IIRC.
> >
> >Lionel
>
> Has anyone gotten USB keyboards/mice working on older PCI systems?
>
> I can put a USB card in a PCI Sun pretty easily, but lack of
> firmware support for USB HID makes it kinda pointless.B B B
I believe a USB mouse just worked once X started, using a generic USB
mouse and a Solaris supported PCI card from the HAL.
I've never tried a USB keyboard, but I expect it would just work in X.
I also suspect it would work on the console in Solaris.B I don't
expect it to work on OBP on machines that didn't come with USB onboard
(so I would expect a USB keyboard on a U60 to work in X but not OBP).
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