SunHELP is now an O'Reilly "sponsored" User's Group. I've started doing a newsletter, etc. See http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/newsletter As part of being a O'Reilly UG, members (you guys) can get a 20% discount off of books ordered from www.oreilly.com. Use code DSUG when ordering. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill at mrbill.net Austin, TX