> a desktop machine, the Ultra 30 is *nice* (it will > take two "vertical" Creator cards, the Ultra 2 can yup. I just got mine running a day or two ago. Once I got around a really odd quirk that was making the X server freeze anytime I tried to display an xemacs window (local or remote), it works really well. I stuffed a PGX32 PCI board into the machine.