I prefer double-sided velcro for grouping cables... At 11:47 PM 1/14/01 -0800, you wrote: >I have four of those ziptie gun thingies that you see on TV. I got them at a >hardware store for 10 bucks a pop, and for the most part the work great. The >only problem is that they dont grip as tightly as normal zipties, i.e. the >clamp breaks loose under less pressure.