[rescue] Re: geek vehicles

[Daniel S. Washko]

> Honsetly?  I've never really been that curious.  I feed myself and my
> own, and I consider it the responsibility of everyone else to feed
> theirs and their own.  If everyone paid a little bit more attention
> introspectively, there'd probably be less problems in the world.  But
> that's a tangent in and of itself.
> 
>> Could it be... because those populations have hit the limit of what
>> the Earth will support in those regions?
>> Could it be... Equilibrium?
>> Could it be... Nature's way of correcting the Overpopulation Problem?
> 
> Could it be that people are lazy in communist countries, and when they
> don't respect the nature around them, in any form, that causes
> starvation? 
> 

I think it is more mis- and gross-management on the part of corrupt 
individuals and groups.  From what I have heard, a lot of the aid that goes 
to countries like Ethopia ends up getting hoarded by local governments and 
never distributed to the people.  Of course, there have been very atrocious 
envronmental neglect in communist countries, but I am sure they would also 
be willing to point out where the United States falters too.

> 
> Sure, and the deer/wolf population in michigan, yadda yadda yadda.  One
> thing people don't seem to realize when they equate us to animals, is
> that we've totally gone and thrown off Darwinistic cycles because we
> protect the weak, and diminish the strong.  Personally, as a man of
> capitalistic integrity, I feel that every person can and should make
> their own way.  If you can't do that, then you deserve what you earn. 
> But considering these socialistic ideals that we should be sending food
> to these people, because how dare we let one go hungry when we can
> obviously feed them.... one might argue that socialism is the bane of
> the environment.

This statement errs from living in the gracies of the United States.  Now I 
do not discredit your experiences and trials, but had you grown up in a 3rd 
world, communist country, I'm sure your outlook would be different.  If we 
all started out with equal opportunity, then your arguement would have more 
merit.  The case is, even though we are all free to make whatever choices we 
want; social, environmental, economic, political, regional and biological 
factors all work to stack the deck so it's not that simple.


> 
>> It's natural.  Where we are screwing up is by sending food to these
>> people...

No, the screw up is in poor education, poor political systems, and (dare I 
say) sometimes antagonistic belief systems.


> 
> Actually, you are correct, but not correct for the right argument.  The
> reason it's screwed up is based on the old adage "Give a man to fish,
> he'll eat today, teach a man to fish, he'll eat forever".  Well, when
> we give them food, nobody buys from the local farmers, who end up
> losing their farms and starving along side.  This is an economic
> effect, and again, not an effect of overpopulation.
> 

It's also a political effect, and yes, overpopulation would be a 
contributing factor.

>> Awww, look at the poor starving Child, Honey, let's send food and
>> money so that that child can grow up and have 7-10 more children who
>> will starve to death.
> 
> Hey I know!  Hey, let's send a doctor over there, and everyone who
> receives food that's sent in by some sort of foreign aid, also gets
> chemical castration!  Perfect solution!  See, it would work out nicely,
> because all the people who have the nuts to work and earn their own
> way, will survive and pass those traits on........ </sarcasm>
> 

When it's your nuts on the receiving end, I'm sure you'll change your tune.

I was listening to the Opie and Anthony show a few weeks back and this guy 
was on who had become blind from some disease.  He was not going to plug the 
organization that is working for a cure to his ailment because he felt thus: 
 "People who are not afflicted by this disease, or have loved ones or are; 
would probably care less."  He even admited the he himself would have little 
concern if he was not suffering.  I felt that was a very honest assessment. 
 I admit, my interest in other's sufferring is not as great as interest in 
my own suffering.  That makes it easy to ignore plights.

I guess what I am saying is it's easy to make sweeping statements and 
provide quick solutions.  Linc is right, and what seperates us from the 
"animals" or "darwinism" is compassion.  


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Daniel S. Washko
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