[SunRescue] Q on "optimal" OS for Sun4c machines, now thatSolaris 8 won't run

Thu Jul 13 04:16:24 CDT 2000

Oh, Im not saying all college boys know nothing of hardware, I've had many
co-workers and bosses who were 'college boys' and knew their hardware.  In
fact, it was my boss, a college boy, who brought up the fact that back in the
day everyone knew hardware, but that most of the kids he has hired fresh out of
college know nothing of harware these days.  One of the brightest computer guys
I know, my uncle, who makes ~half a million as a solaris programmer for Swiss
Bank, has never built his own computer, and uses AOL and Windows 95 at home. 
If you need any help with the *BSD, let me know though, I just started playing
around with my FreeBSD box again.(FreeBSD 4.0 is drewlable, especially on SMP.)
Chris

"Cyrus M. Reed" wrote:
> 
> Some of us "college" people still know the hardware too.  I hope I never
> consider myself "too good" to work on and fix my own tools (i.e.
> computers).  If I don't know how it works, or can't fix it myself (even
> if I don't *have* to), I'm less interested in using it.  Maybe I'm just a
> control freak and want to do *everything*. ;)  I started with Windows
> (3.1) back on my first PC (which I built myself, with a little help), but
> have been using Linux now for over two years.  My next project is *BSD,
> which I'm hoping to get set up on a SPARC 10 that I was recently given on
> semi-permanent loan (yes! real hardware!).  I'll agree that I've seen
> quite a few CS majors that don't seem to know a whole lot about how
> computers actually work; but I could be biased being a Physics major. ;)
> UNIX is still used quite a bit in the sciences; in short-have faith, not
> everyone has turned to the Dark Side. :)
> 
> -Cyrus
> 
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Chris Drelich wrote:
> 
> > My friends, and myself, have all been computer geeks from an early age, and now
> > in our late teens to early twenties, we are all unix users, and mostly unix and
> > network admins.  We've been using computers all our lives and know how to take
> > one apart and put it together.  We can  even do this with computers we've never
> > heard of before, because we get the basic similarities, and our engineering
> > skills help us fill in the rest.  Most of us never went to college or went and
> > dropped out after a few days/semesters/years, some have been on "hiatus" for
> > years now.  We know our stuff, do good work, and our well paid for it.
> > However, recently we have noticed that a lot of the people our age, who learned
> > their knowledge through college instead of life have a different view of
> > computers.  Sure, they can code well, and some of them even know a thing or two
> > about UNIX.  Open a computer in front of them, and they won't know what to do.
> > Its a case of "We never learned that in college."/"Im too good for that, call
> > tech support/technician."  I mean, back in the real glory days of computers,
> > even the college educated ones could take apart a computer, sometimes better
> > then the life educated ones.  Today though its not the case, and this is sad.
> > All companies I've been with have had the tech department divided among three
> > lines: Hackers(college or life educated, they can take apart a computer and
> > love to tinker), College Boys(college educated, they may think some computer is
> > neat, but for the most part the are 100% Windows at heart, at most they might
> > have built a computer once and brag about it a lot, they also used the manual a
> > lot), Others(they may or may not have college education, but if they do, its in
> > another field, they switched to computers after having decided what to do with
> > their life once before, they are in it for the money or a love similar to the
> > hacker.)  Either way, this current state of affairs is sad.
> > Chris
> >
> > Dave McGuire wrote:
> > >
> > > On July 12, Roger Walkup wrote:
> > > > Apple did the samething in the k-12 schools.  From my personal experience as
> > > > an *old* (40) student and a part time worker in one of the tech offices at
> > > > University of Wisconsin-Superior, the people who run the labs, maintain the
> > > > network, and take care of the staff/faculty offices are pretty ignorent about
> > > > unix of any sort and, in some cases, little better than power users of MS
> > > > software (eg. they know how to install a custom version of Office 2000).  The
> > > > computer science dept has bought *an* Ultra 10 which will be used as a server
> > > > for compsci classes next year.  Most of the comp sci profs are big fans of
> > > > NeXT, but that's dead.  A recent grad donated 4-5  classics, but they're not
> > > > all running yet.  Looking around on the internet, I don't see much difference
> > > > in other UW campuses.  It's a wasteland.
> > >
> > >   Wow.  Is it possible that we are the last generation of people that
> > > will know how computers actually *work*?  No computer *science* will
> > > be learnt on Windows boxes, in my opinion.
> > >
> > >          -Dave McGuire
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