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Mon May 19 07:51:04 CDT 2014

The MotherJones website that you linked holds to very bLiberalb website.
 Of course, in the USA bLiberalb can refer to any sort of Leftist
position
or groupbany Socialist, Communist, Progressive, Populist, Statist, etc.
 The last true Liberal in the USA political scene was probably Senator
Hubert H. Humphrey.  HHH, as he is called, ran for president as a Democrat
in the 1980bs.  Democrats since HHHbs time and group have shifted even
further left-ward.

Most states will permit the open carry of long guns.  How else can you
hunt?  Etc.  The state where I live issues a carry permit that licenses a
gun to carry in whatever manner one pleasesbopen or concealed.  During
hunting season, it is not unusual to see people out side carrying rifles
and shotguns.  Racks are made that fit in the back window of a pick-up
truck to carry long guns.  During boar hunting in Florida, most hunters
carry a sizable pistol as a backup gun.  Carrying a pistol while hunting
did not require a permit.  In Florida, carrying a pistol was not permitted
during bow hunting season.

There are sign when read bno guns allowedb or similar.  They are mainly
making their customers targets.  A poplar restaurant in Killian, Texas, had
a sign like that and a gunman walked in and started firing.  Here is what
Wikipedia writes about the incident.

"The *Luby's massacre* was a mass
murder<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_murder>that took place on
October 16, 1991, in
Killeen <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killeen,_Texas>,
Texas<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas>.
*George Hennard* crashed his pickup
truck<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_truck>through the front
plate glass window of the Luby's
Cafeteria <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s> at 1705 East Central
Texas Expressway, shot 43 people, exchanged shots with responding police,
and then hid in a bathroom and fatally shot
himself.[2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_massacre#cite_note-gphjo-2>
b...He stalked, shot, and killed 23 people, ten of them with a single shot
to the head,[3]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_massacre#cite_note-3>and
wounded another 20 before committing suicide. Approximately 140 people
were in the restaurant at the timeb&.
"The first victim was local veterinarian Michael Griffith, 48, who ran to
the driver's side of the pickup truck to offer assistance to the driver
after the truck crashed through the window. Hennard also approached
32-year-old Suzanna Hupp <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanna_Hupp> and
her parents. Hupp reached for her .38 revolver in her purse, only to
remember she had left it in her vehicle to comply with the law. Texas law
at the time required that concealed carry was not allowed in "public
places<http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/02/18/interview-suzanna-hupp-survivor-o
f-lubys-mass-shooting-argues-against-gun-control-saying-texas-gun-law-left-he
r-defenseless>".
Her father Al, 71, rushed at Hennard in an attempt to subdue him but was
fatally shot in the chest. A short time later, as Hupp was escaping, her
mother Ursula, 67, was shot in the head and killed as she cradled her
wounded husband.

It was quite an ordeal.  I believe Texas has amended their law and permit
guns in public places as long as a bno guns allowedb is not posted.

The use and customs of guns is quite different between the majority and
minority groups/communities.  Most of this discussion, as I have read it,
is written from the viewpoint of the majority community.

When my father was a child in Virgina, he would take his .22 rifle to
school in order to go hunting right after school.  They stacked the guns in
a corner of the classroom, I suppose.  He never spoke of it as if there was
any rigamarole or bspecialb procedures for doing so.  He taught me that
guns were for sport, hunting included, and self-defense.  He taught me that
guns are not the way to resolve an argument.  This is what I teach and it
works.  The National Rifle Association (NRA) teaches the same thingbfun,
necessity, and self-defense.  While they hold that law-abiding citizens
should have guns if they want, the NRA does not propose the breaking of any
laws or arming people indiscriminately.

By the way, I love Nelspruit and and wish I could stay there again.

HTH

On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Jonathan Groll <lists at groll.co.za> wrote:

> On Wed, 14 May 2014 21:47:26 -0400, Lionel Peterson <lionel4287 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > On May 14, 2014, at 8:54 PM, Toby Thain <toby at telegraphics.com.au>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 14/05/14 10:35 AM, Jerry Kemp wrote:
> > >>> On 05/13/14 07:35 PM, Toby Thain wrote:
> > >>>> On 13/05/14 12:09 PM, Nick B wrote:
> > >>>> Man, as much as I want a 5000$ single family home, I want to not get
> > >>>> shot
> > >>>> more.
> > >>>> Nick
> > >>>
> > >>> I hear theys lotsa guns in Texas.
> > >>> --T
> > >>
> > >> And an armed society makes for a polite society.
> > >
> > > They say that, don't they.
> > >
> > > It also makes for a sky-high homicide rate, and a lot of dead kids and
> > toddlers for no particularly good reason.
> > >
> > > Plus, as someone who's lived in several countries with fewer than 300
> > million guns, I can tell you that, if anything, they are much more
> "polite"
> > than the USA. Not to mention safer.
> >
> > Interestingly, the District of Columbia has the highest gun homicide rate
> > (circa 2010), roughly three times higher than the second highest state...
> >
> > Guess how draconian DC gun laws are? Very draconian - a TV host was in
> danger
> > of going to jail for merely holding an empty  'hi-capacity' gun clip in
> his
> > hand in a DC TV studio... No gun, just the clip.
> >
> > Gun-free zones are defense-free zones, and the crime statistics bear
> that out
> > in America.
>
> Hey, I'm a South African. We're like the epicenter of family murders
> (where a father kills his family). Never mind Oscar Pistorious. To get
> an illicit AK47 here is neither difficult not expensive [1]
>
> But, even I was shocked reading this (admittedly very anti-gun article):
>
>
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/05/guns-bullying-open-carry-women-mo
ms-texas
>
> As an outsider reading about US gun issues, the vitriolic retoric is
> sometimes shocking even to those of us who live in parts of the world
> with endemic gun violence.
>
> Can Open Carry Texas really send groups carrying semi-automatic rifles
> along a busy road? WTF?
>
> Cheers,
> Jonathan
>
> [1]
>
>
http://soundmoneysa.co.za/2012/10/what-can-the-ak-47-teach-us-about-gun-contr
ol-in-south-africa/
>
> --
> jjg: Jonathan J. Groll : groll co za
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