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[hike]

Before Sears became a nationwide chain with a physical presence
beverywhereb, the bice pickb was the most used murder weapon.  (Ice
was
sold in big blocks and the ice pick was used to break the the ice up.  Ice
makers didnbt exist at the time.)  After Sears became a beverywhereb
store
and Craftsman became a well known brand, the blong blade screwdriverb
displaced the ice pick as the most used murder weapon.  (I guess ice cube
trays, refrigerators, and ice machines killed the ice pick.)

Now that Sear has shrunk and no longer has an beverywhereb presence, I
venture a guess that something WalMart sells is the most used murder
weapon.  Maybe something from Trader Joes or Ikea?  In the news, the knife
is making a come back.

The point is that guns were never the most used weapon for murders.

I received the ice pick and Craftsman screw driver info decades ago from
both a cop (detective) and either the St. Petersburg Times or a network
news magazine.  (I keep my ice picks and screwdrivers under lock and key,
btw.)


On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:11 AM, hike <mh1272 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Which is why I said Atlanta is not a good place to use as a norm until the
> accuracy of crime reporting is verified.  If Atlanta is like Memphis, they
> will report a higher crime rate because they want to look more successful
> at solving crime.  That said, Atlanta may be a norm.  But it has to be
> proven before it can be taken as any kind of norm.
>
> A rule of thumb is that Police departments are typical anti-gun and
> Sheriff departments are typically pro-gun.  This is true in the Metro
> Atlanta area from my experience.
>
> The Metro Atlanta area is rather large.  Kennesaw in the 1970bs was not
> part of Metro Atlanta but now it is.  Kennesaw requires householders to own
> a gun for home protection.  10 years after that law was in effect, the main
> stream media reported that crime was down 90% compared to the year before
> the law went into effect.  Gun ownership and presence does deter certain
> types of crime.
>
> When the current Tennessee carry law went into effect there was a 9% to
> 13% drop in crime in the Metro Memphis.  This was reported for the first
> year the law was in effect by the Commercial Appeal.  1/3 of all Tennessee
> carry permit holders signed up for the first year were in Shelby County
> where Memphis is located.  (25K out of 75K)
>
>
> On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Bill Green <bill at supposedly.org> wrote:
>
>> On 15/05/14 03:42 PM, hike wrote:
>> > How funny!  You wish to us a big USA city to predict for the entire
>> country?
>> >
>> > It would take a lot of work to be sure that Atlanta PD is reporting
>> their
>> > crime load accurately.
>>
>> Hemenway's argument that the original number is a vast overestimate in
>> the first paragraph I quoted does not depend at all on the second
>> paragraph, which is simply an illustration of his point.  It tries to
>> correlate Kleck's (extrapolated from interviews) numbers to nationwide
>> crime reports and finds that they make no statistical sense.
>>
>> > You also have to note that Atlanta is in the South where guns are more
>> > prevalent.  Many of the suburb communities around Atlanta are
>> "homeowners
>> > are gun owners b .  All that to say, criminal know when people have
>> guns and
>> > restrict their criminal activities because of it.  Metro Atlanta would
>> > be shewed toward the low end and would provide a bogus number.
>>
>> That must explain why Atlanta has one of the highest per capita violent
>> crime rates in the USA.
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