[geeks] more on dune

[rjtoegel at verizon.net]

   Sorry, can't hit the delete key without seeing some of your post. :-)
   That's the way my webmail works.
   Bob
   Jun 10, 2010 12:44:32 PM, geeks at sunhelp.org wrote:

     On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:01:33PM -0400, Patrick Finnegan wrote:
     >Sure, why make people have to live in the deserts of Africa to make
     them
     >live in the equivalent of a 3rd world country. Just cut off their
     food
     >and water until they do what you want.
     The following is a rant, but IMHO I was just ranted upon, so I feel
     that I
     can rant back. If you disagree with what I say feel free to respond,
     if
     you don't want to hear or read it, feel free to delete it.
     That is one of the most insulting things I have ever heard you say,
     as it were.
     First of all, they are NOT our responsibility.
     Second Gaza is not the deserts of Africa, it is on the coast of the
     Mediterranean sea. No more a desert than the Rivera is the deserts
     of Europe.
     When we were responsible for them we built hospitals, power plants,
     desalination plants and they had plenty of food.
     They still have those. Although they have converted one of the
     hospitals into
     a military headquarters. We upgraded it a few years before we left
     on the
     Israeli model which hardens the emergency and surgical departments.
     Hamas has taken it over, using the hardened areas as their
     headquarters
     and the "soft" ones as human shields.
     We even had a thriving greenhouse business which instead of taking
     it with
     us when we left, The Bill and Melinda Gates foundation bought for
     them to
     use. It did not last a day before the new owners destroyed it.
     If it had been left operating, it would have provided enough fresh
     lettuce
     tomatoes, green onions and herbs for all of the salads in Gaza and
     most
     of them in Israel.
     They have plenty of food, plenty of electricity and plenty of water.
     They even
     used to have internet cafes and home internet until Hamas started
     closing them.
     Take a look at any of the pictures of Gaza city, even the one's of
     Tony
     Blair's sister in law when she was there. Except for the HEBREW on
     the
     packages she could have been in a Tesco or any other large
     supermarket.
     They get it all from us, because although they get plenty of money
     from you,
     their elected leaders spend it on arms and swiss bank accounts.
     Somehow
     they never seem to be able to pay their bills.
     If anyone makes them live like a third world country it's YOU
     because you
     pour money into their crooked government and ask for NO
     accountability.
     Look at their money. They don't use Egyptian money, Jordainan
     dinars,
     US dollars, Euors, Hamas or PA printed money, they use Israeli
     shequels.
     That's right, they want to drive us into the sea, but the only
     currency
     they trust is ours.
     Egypt also has a border with them. It lets nothing through and
     shoots anyone
     that tries to come across. Compared to them our border with Gaza is
     open.
     Somali Moslems escape the ethnic cleansing in their country, find
     their
     way north and end up in Egypt. From there they try to cross the
     border into
     Israel. Why not stay in Egypt or sneak into Gaza?
     Because the Egyptians and Palestinains shoot them on site. We take
     them in,
     give them housing, medical care and jobs. At one point we announced
     we would
     stop and did not because if we left them on the Egyptian side of the
     border,
     they all (men, women and children) would have been shot where they
     stood.
     They also could go to any of the other Moslem countries, but no one
     wants
     them.
     There are many smuggling tunnels between Gaza and Egypt, some big
     enough to
     bring cars through. Sometimes we close them, sometime Egypt does.
     Egypt also
     pumps poison gas in them.
     Since Yassar Araft died, his successors have not been honest, but
     certainly
     less crooked. Appointing Fayad as Prime Minister was forced
     accountability
     on Fatah, which is still a crooked terrorist organization, but at
     least they
     spend some of the money on their people and someone is watching them
     to make sure they do it.
     >
     >As time goes on, I realize more and more how inhumane some people
     who
     >are driven by religious beliefs can be (and it bears little
     relation to
     >which religion they follow).
     I'll disagree with that. Being Jews (although they are not) we were
     far more
     charitable when they were under our governance and still are
     although they
     claim they are at war with us.
     Many Christians are charitable.
     Many Moslems, for example the Bahai (who were thrown out of Saudi
     Arabia and
     thrive in Israel), the Sufi, and all of the non Arab Muslims of east
     Asia
     are too.
     That's Obama's problem, he was attended Indonesian Moslem schools
     where
     Islam is very much a religion of peace and love and can't really
     wrap his
     head round it the Arab (Wahhabi) notion of it being one of conquest
     and hate.
     >
     >Can this thread die yet? It's about as enjoyable as watching a
     >religious war over vi vs emacs.
     Delete key broken?
     End of rant. We now return you to our regularly scheduled boredom.
     Geoff.
     --
     Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm at mendelson.com
     N3OWJ/4X1GM
     I do multitasking. If that bothers you, file a complaint and I will
     start
     ignoring it immediately.
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