[geeks] FW: [rescue] UPS Recommendation

[nick at snowman.net]

I keep hearing this reasoning from "gun control" (control read
elimination) folks.  They're not saying "Since a well regulated militia is
required for protection of the country we grant it the right to bear
arms", sorry, it just dosen't stand up.  They're makeing two related
statments, 1. A well regulated militia .... and 2, because we need a well
regulated (not "regulated" as in "10' deep in red tape" but regulated as
in "able to fire, and maintain good small unit tactics") will not infringe
the right of the people to firearms.  The creative view that says it's a
conditional statment is erm.... I belive my grammer teacher would call it
"Intresting".
	Nick

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Mike Meredith wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:47:36 -0500
> Brian Dunbar <Brian.Dunbar at plexus.com> wrote:
> > Which still doesn't guarantee that the cops will show up in time.  If
> > they can't guarantee light speed response the instant I need them to
> > protect me, then I have a moral responsibility to have the means to
> > protect myself and/or my family.  And my neighbors if they need.  Hey,
> > wait, that sounds like that-there militia thingee mentioned in the
> > Constitution ...
> 
> The 2nd amendment ? You know that looks like a spectacularly dumb one
> ... because it's so vague and unspecific. "A well regulated militia,
> being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people
> to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
> 
> My understanding of that is that the people are allowed to keep and bear
> arms *specifically* so they can be raised as a militia to defend the
> state (which state? A US state ? Or the Federal state?). There's no
> indication that arms are permitted for self-protection, or for
> individual protection against the state.
> 
> Of course there's nothing to say that arms can't be used for
> self-protection either, but the whole statement implies that it is
> specifically for military purposes. Banding together with your
> neighbours for self-protection doesn't make you a member of a militia
> either.
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