[geeks] CCW for Ohio!

[Charles Shannon Hendrix]

Fri, 12 Dec 2003 @ 10:57 -0800, Francisco Javier Mesa-Martinez said:

> On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Kurt Huhn wrote:
> >
> > Why, feeling paranoid also?
> 
> Moi? LOL, these gun threads are most amusing sometimes.
> 
> A few points I would like to make, and yes it is my own opinion (before
> people start writing about why I am wrong and blah blah blah).
> 
> 1) If you use a bad 80s movie as an argument, well you need to re think
> your position to begin with. And yeah putting quotes w/o any sort of
> context goes that way too.

I didn't use it as an argument, I pointed out a scene which just
happened to illustrate a reality that has repeated itself several times
over historically.

Wether the movie was good or not is irrelevant.

> 2) If you wanna own a gun, fine, BUT you need to make sure you are able to
> own and handle said gun. In order to do so, there must be some sort of
> certification, and if that implies that a record must be kept so be it.

There are a lot of people with driver's licenses and MCSEs who cannot
drive or do much with a computer.

I don't have high hopes that a gun cerification will mean much either.

It might be nice to have a truly good certification program, even if it
is only basic safety training (which is available locally).  However,
I'm not sure the potential abuse makes it worthwhile.

Right now, our government does not do a good enough job to make sure
that information is not abused, and doesn't have a stellar track record
on its own abuses.

> 3) If you see bad guys every where, then I assume that two things have
> happened: You ended up at the wrong part of town, or you forgot to take
> your meds.

I don't recall anyone suggesting there are bad guys everywhere, though
it is certainly true in some areas.  

Also, civic duty is another reason to own and train with firearms.

It need not be soley out of a need for self defense.

If I am out somewhere, I prefer a knife, a club, and tennis shoes to get
me out of most problems. 

> 4) You have the right to use a gun if you feel that is gonna protect you,
> fine. I also believe I have the right to protect myself from gun nuts too.
> Why would I trust you with a gun, just because? It goes both ways.

Why would you trust me with any of the other dozens of things I could
kill you with?

Again, there is more to being armed than defense from crimes against
persons.


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