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[Rob]

To add insult to Injury. His address is in Dave M.'s town.

Gene Ray, Cubic
P.O. Box 40302
St. Petersburg, FL 33743

Sorry Dave.

On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 s at avoidant.org wrote:

> After our duscussion here way back when, I thought some might appreciate
> this. Unfortunately I couldn't get there, but someone did, and here's
> what he had to say...
>
>
> ---sambo
>
>
>
> So, as some of you might know, Gene Ray (of TimeCube fame) was part of a
> panel discussion at MIT yesterday, during which he discussed, well, the
> TimeCube.
>
> (Chris, i assume you attended and just refrained from trying to
> enlighten us because we are all educated stupid.)
>
> At any rate, i have obtained a set of lecture notes from this momentous
> event. Please prepare your poison-filled minds to receive Gene.
>
> -johnnnnnnnnnn
>
> ------------
>
> egregious lecture notes, 30 Jan 2002.
>
> The lecture is set to start at 3:00.  I show up about ten minutes early,
> and the lecture hall is already filling up.  The front row has three
> video cameras, one looking more professional than the other two since
> he's wearing big headphones.
>
> In the front of the lecture hall are six seats, from left to right:
> - Chris Said, Johns Hopkins
> - Eric Downes, MIT
> - YOUR GOD
> - Gene Ray
> - Victor Brar, MIT
> - Chris Gorman, Harvard
>
> The "YOUR GOD" seat was covered with some sort of drapes.  The meaning
> of YOUR GOD or whoever he is was supposedly revealed on the website. I
> didn't ask.  No one ever sat there.
>
> Gene Ray looks like a kind old man.  He had on a white golf shirt with a
> logo of "TIMECUBE.COM" and "MIT 2002" emblazoned on it, and a white
> baseball cap done up the same way.  I didn't see anyone else wearing
> that.
>
> The other panelists were all students.  Eric Downes is a scary looking
> guy with a blonde mop of hair and a bushy beard.  Chris Gorman was on
> the end, and acted like he had Downs syndrome, although he looked
> normal.  Just about any time he opened his mouth, a chorus of "Harvard
> SUCKS!" would rise up from the crowd.
>
> By the time the seminar actually started, the lecture hall of several
> hundred seats was just about full.  When the moderator starts the
> lecture a huge roar of applause goes up.  As each panel member is
> introduced (including the students and the empty chair) a similar huge
> cheer erupts from the crowd.  Someone tosses a paper airplane, and the
> crowd gives an ovation.  Ah, we are easily pleased.
>
> Two people in the audience have posterboard signs: one says
>
>                                 GENE RAY
> 			            4
>                                 PRESIDENT
>
> 		   and the other says
>
> 	                         CUBISM
>                                    not
>                                  FASCISM
>
> Another has assembled a "color cube" to complement the Timecube. I'll
> get back to him later.
>
> The first part of the seminar has Gene talking about the Timecube.  He
> starts out by asking "How many people here have open minds?" Sure, I see
> where he's going with this.  I raise my hand, as do most other people.
> Then he says "well, open minds can be filled with garbage!" We all
> cheer.
>
> He starts going on about the self being part of the village and 1/2 of
> one's life is going into mating and .... well, I tried to write down
> notes, and then I gave up and just tried to write down random words he
> said, but I gave up on that, too:
>
> You know the mumbly guy on King of the Hill?  Boomhauer?  Well, imagine
> he was reading straight from www.timecube.com.  That's what it was like
> listening to Gene Ray talk.  For fifteen incredible minutes he kept on
> talking and talking about things that I've glimpsed at on the Timecube
> website.  It was very impressive.  This must be what those southern
> congressman who would filibuster must've been like.  It sounded like a
> train of consciousness, but he kept on using different examples, only
> repeating the "timecube has 4 corners" aspect.
>
> After this, the moderator stops him, and we proceed into the next
> segment: panel Q&A.  Each of the four people on the panel with Gene get
> to ask him four questions.
>
> Chris is first.  He has a problem with a grandparent/parent/self/child
> nature of people.  Some people know their great-grandparents; some
> people have no children, some have multiple children.  Gene says "well,
> there are variations..." "So--it averages out to 4?" Chris suggests.
> "Yes" Gene confirms and immediately everyone applauds.  A repeating
> cheer of "Gene! Gene! Gene! Gene!" starts up and lasts for about 20
> seconds.
>
> He asks about the places in nature where 3 occurs, and brings up the
> example of 3 primary colors.  Gene, as he will do often during the
> seminar, answers a different question, and explains how the color sphere
> has a top pole and a bottom pole, and when you look at it from one
> direction it goes clockwise and from the other direction it goes
> counterclockwise and as they turn against each other there are four
> corners around which they blah blah blah. You can probably get the rest
> of this argument from the website.
>
> He asks Gene to explain why God is word masturbation.  It eventually
> comes up that because God is unique, there isn't a grandparent/
> parent/self/son lineage.  So God does not fit in the family.  God is
> male, and, so, being male with himself is "a queer perspective." He then
> quotes Revelations 21:16, which talks of the city that lies foursquare
> and has jasper walls.
>
> He asks about Gene claiming to have applied Timecube to the Unified
> Field Theory.  He congratulates Gene on having discovered by accident
> something that scientists have been chasing for decades, but asks him to
> explain -why- Timecube fulfills it.  It's simple, says Gene: the Unified
> Field Theory would change all of physics, and it involves four
> fundamental forces, and Timecube changes all of physics and has four
> corners (of course, he took three minutes to explain this part), so
> therefore they are the same thing. (Of course!)
>
> Next person is Eric Downes, and he asks about people being made of
> different numbers of parts.  Humans are a pyramid, with 2 arms and 2
> legs I guess, and each of those has 4 main digits on it, for a total of
> 16.  Of course, (and this, I swear, is a direct quote) "you don't say 16
> because that would demean the value of 4." That got another wild hoot of
> approval from the lecture hall.
>
> The rest of his quesitons (about cube-word vs. cubeless-words and a new
> co-ordinate system) result in mostly incoherent answers.
>
> Victor Brar asks the next question.  Gene says that "-1 x -1 = +1" is
> stupid and evil, so Victor asks him to explain some more.  Gene goes off
> of his previous explanation about the North pole and the South pole and
> various races, and explains like this:
>
> "1 x 1 = 1 makes sense, because that's like saying that a North American
> times a North American equals a North American.  But saying -1 x -1 = 1
> is like saying a South American times a South American equals a North
> American." "Okay, Gene, . . . so, -1 x -1 should equal what?" "A South
> American!" I stopped writing notes here for about five minutes I was so
> busy laughing.
>
> Oh, the reason that we can't divide a day into 100 days, but only four?
> After your divide a pie plate into four pieces, you can't divide it any
> further.  Any further divisions must happen in one of the four
> quardants. It's so obvious.  Now don't you feel silly?
>
> He also rambled something about the USS Liberty.  Didn't quite follow
> this as well as I was able to grasp everything else.
>
> The next student was Chris Gorman, from Harvard, whom I affectionately
> referred to as "retard-boy" but I think that was just an act.  It turns
> out he was questioning Gene Ray for about an hour before the lecture
> began.
>
> Chris opens out by saying "thank you everyone for coming to day 3 of Sea
> Monkey Week.  I hope you all brought your Sea Monkey bags." He
> eventually gets to his first question, "it's about Dungeons and
> Dragons."
>
> "A magic users hit die, as we all know, is a d4, or a pyramid. However,
> the priests, that is, the druids and clerics, use a d8.  But it is the
> rogues and thieves and bards who use a six-sided die, THE CUBE!" I
> didn't really sense a question in here, but Gene still was able to
> respond.  "I'll give a simple answer: (points at Chris) he's wrong."
> Wild applause.
>
> Chris's second question is "Can I ask you another question?" to which
> Gene says "no" again eliciting wild applause.
>
> We now enter the next phase of the session: $1000 if you can disprove
> Timecube, with Gene as the judge.  You will be shocked to learn that no
> one succeeded.
>
> The best case was put forward by Tom (?) who had assembled the Color
> Cube: a 4 by 4 by 4 array of cubes held together with black sticks, with
> one corner being all white, the opposite being all black, and the three
> dimensions repesnting different amounts of each of the primary colors
> (or was it pigments?).  They attempted to co-opt the Timecube theory
> into their own, but unfortunately, they were dealing with Gene Ray, who
> simply co-opted theirs right back.
>
> Another good case was put forth by someone who used the fact that the
> Timecube is ineffable as a proof of its unprovability.  However, Eric
> correctly pointed out that Godel's incompleteness theorem applies, and
> that even if you could prove that the Timecube is unprovable, that would
> not count as a disproof.
>
> It was during this discussion that the contestant reminded Gene that "no
> human can understand the Timecube" and Gene responded without missing a
> beat "Yeah.  I'm not human." Gene later hedged on this remark, claiming
> that a human is 4 parts, grandparent, parent, self, and son, and he
> could only exist in 1 corner at a time, so he was, and I quote, "1/4 of
> a human."
>
> There was a $100 prize for the best student who could come up with a
> proof of Timecube.  Five students offered various theories, some
> revolvoing around the magick of the number 4, some about the universal
> applicability of the golden mean (when he asked how many people in the
> room had seen "Pi" about 3/4 raised their hands--unfortunately an
> imprompty pi recital did not commence).  When the moderator asked Gene
> which student had given the best proof, Gene said "I don't wanna get
> into this" and let the audnience vote by applause.
>
> There was a $500 prize for the best professor-offered proof. Amazingly,
> no professor was in the room.  (There were a few post-docs, but they
> were just yelled at for being out of the office and told to get back to
> work.) Some students suggested going to fetch a professor, and Noam
> Chomsky was thought of several times, but no action occurred.  Gene
> talked about how academica stifles the Timecube because it would undo
> all that they have done.  He predicts that if any professor from MIT
> were to say that the Timecube is accurate he would be fired.  Y'know, I
> think he might be right.
>
> Then a general Q&A started with the audience.  This was the real fun.
>
> While describing how he gets shut out of academia, Gene said "I was
> thrown off all the scientific boards on the Internet." He made a
> reference to Revelations 16:21 (when I think he meant 21:16 again), and
> started rambling about how people use the law to shut down discussion of
> Timecube, and how a university told him "We'll put you in jail if you
> send us another fax."
>
> Following up on Gene's discussion of the four races in the four corners
> of the Timecube (white, black, asian, indian) a black guy asked how he
> could explain black Republicans, the black Spice Girl, or Bill Clinton.
>
> One person asked "What is 6 times 9?" Not one to be trapped into proving
> which base he was in, Gene responded after a moment of thought: "It's
> man-made math."
>
> Someone asked the question a lot of us must have been wondering: "How do
> you finance your research?" Gene beamed proudly and proclaimed "credit
> cards!"
>
> "Timecube is not a theory.  It's a principle."
>
> How Timecube could have prevented the September 11 attacks?  "If they
> would stay in their corners they wouldn't be able to bomb anything."
>
> "It's against the law to kill Christians but it's not immoral."
>
> Someone brought up the blurb on his website about the book he was
> writing. When she asked "what's your book going to be about?" he look
> incredulous and responded "the Timecube." More cheering.
>
> He was unable to explain how circus clowns are explained by Timecube.
>
> Delving further into his four corners-four races point, a student asked
> how people who aren't in those four races fit in.  Gene explained that
> they fit inside the Timecube (duh!).  The student said, "Well, I'm
> bi-racial--" at which point Gene interrupted and said "you're _WHAT_?!"
>
> Asked if "odd numbers are a false fabrication" Gene said "Yeah."
>
> Does he support the decriminialization of marijuana?  He said that it
> seems to make some people feel good, and he doesn't mind them using it
> "as long as they're not in my cube."
>
> Another black man asked about how he could use Timecube to get his
> groove on, if he could better understand the Timecube if he shaved his
> hair into a "cubic 'fro", and if Gene supports 4somes.
>
> I forget the question that brought this on, but at one point Gene
> started talking about lemon nipples.  "A lemon has two nipples.  If you
> cut it in half each half has one nipple.  If you turn them, they are
> facing each other." Around this point I lost the ability to write down
> notes again.
>
> He told a story of how he met a black woman in the south, and told her
> that when she died she was going to come back on the opposite corner of
> the cube, as a white person.  Then he told her "and when I die I'm gonna
> come back as a black person and I'm gonna hate you honkies."
>
> Cube eggs would be better than round eggs, but would be "pretty rough on
> the chicken laying" it.
>
> People started drifting away at this point, but I kept my guard,
> resolving to report the situation as best I could.  However, I failed to
> realize that no one can report the Timecube, and I should've had three
> other people taking notes from the three other corners of the lecture
> hall.
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