Tonight she came up with the best first-look description of a machine that I've ever seen. When I walked in the door with the scratch-n-dent O2 I picked up from a friend who got an entire car-full of them, her first words: "hrm. It looks like a smurf's clitoris." I think I'm going to hostname it "nubbin". Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill at mrbill.net Austin, TX