[geeks] E15K as a Terminal Server?

[Ken Hansen]

Joshua,

Put down the crack pipe - a $2300 PC? That is far from typical!

At my company we never pay more than $400/system, toss $50 in to up the RAM,
and 17" monitors are $125 - one *fourth* your "average" price.

Going further up the network, we have six servers for 200 users, a mix of
Citrix and Win2K clients, so we have 33 1/3 users per server (or that is
their "share" of the server expense), and I don't think we use any Dell
servers that cost over $5-6K/each, but lets put some RAM, HD and additional
CPUs and call them $10K servers, that puts you at $300/client - right around
$1K per user *including* MS-Tax/OS.

Would this ramp-up to *thousands* of users? No, but such installations are
relatively uncommon... Besides, what kind of network connections can you
stuff in the E15K? Each SunRay is supposed to have switched 100 Mb/sec,
right? So how many network connections can the E15K take by itself?

Bottom-line, I think such a monolithic server is *not* the target market for
the E15K... (as you noted)

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua D Boyd" <jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu>
To: <geeks at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [geeks] Sun-HOWTO


> On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 04:23:07PM -0700, Peter L. Wargo wrote:
> > On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Joshua D Boyd wrote:
> >
> > > What would be wrong with that?  Assuming that they had at least 288
sun
> > > rays, it could be cost effective for a 72 proc machine.  Those
machines
> > > are 2 mill, right?  That is a cost of nearly $7k per sunray (not
including
> >
> > Bwahahahahaha!  <Thud> *Falling off of chair*
> >
> > To give you an idea, when I boought a 64-CPU E10K in '98 with 64G of
RAM,
> > the *very discounted* price was $3.5M.
>
> The list on the web site for a 72 proc machine is 4.1 million.  I'm told
> that absolutely no one pays anywhere near list for Suns except on the web
> site, so I made a guess.  Anyway, since I'm at there site, let me put
> together some real numbers.
>
> $4,100,000 for the server.
> $650 for a Sun Ray 100.
>
> Now, 2,304 clients seems reasonable for a maxed Sunfire.  That leaves
> 128megs for terminal, and 32 terminals per processor, which shouldn't be
> bad since they are 900mhz USIIIs, and most terminals would be idle most of
> the time anyway.
>
> That means an initial cash outlay of $5,597,600, not including networking
> gear, which probably needs to be better than average for the SunRays, but
> shouldn't be a problem with how many network interfaces can be stuffed in
> a SunFire.  That comes to $2,430 per seat.  About the same as for a PC,
> except the network needs to be a bit better, but there should be great
> savings on support staff.
>
> Maybe the Sunfires aren't good enough for that number of clients.  In
> which case we perhaps should consider the heresy of saying that Sun should
> be thwapped, rather than someone who considers doing such a thing with a
> SunFire.



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