[geeks] RE: How to find qualified folks

[Joshua D. Boyd]

I don't know what ther guaranteed, only what they advertised, and that a
lot of people went to work for them.

I didn't say that employers owe us anything.  But, if the chance exists,
we should try and find fun, high-paying careers.  And, people should be
prepared to settle when/if the time comes.

Actually, I was the guy in the CS lab until 3-5AM most nights, including
saturdays one particularly nasty semester.  Since that semester, there
hasn't been a pressing need to be there (as opposed to at home) that late,
and for some reason, the installation of a PC lab resulted in less people
hanging out in the department.

Now, back to work.

--
Joshua Boyd

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Ken Hansen wrote:

> Was that seasonal pay? Could they guarantee 2,000 hours/yr?
> 
> Employers do not owe you a fun, high-paying career by virtue of your enduring 4 years of drinking, sleeping in late, and surviving those late night cram sessions before exams...
> 
> Oh, wait - you were the kid holed-up in the CS lab at 11:00 on a Saturday night? Well, my mistake - they do owe it to you! ;^)
> 
> To paraphrase a recent line in Rescue:
> 
> 	"High-pay, great people, interesting work - pick two"
> 
> I have gone through most variations, and decided for me that I like "great people, interesting work." (Of course, the money wasn't insulting, but that will come...)
> 
> Ken
> (A proud holder of a BA in Humanities, who studied at community colleges, both two- and four-year colleges, graduate school, a premier engineering school, and a technical school - I used to tell people that the job I was best prepared for was college guidance counsellor!)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua D. Boyd [mailto:jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:04 PM
> To: geeks at sunhelp.org
> Subject: [geeks] RE: How to find qualified folks
> 
> 
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, James Fogg wrote:
> 
> > My guess would be the fun factor and the resume geewizzardry is missing in the
> > job description. 
> 
> That's probably correct.  A lot of us young-uns don't feel much need to
> work at boring places for low amounts of cash.  It either needs to be fun
> or high paying (better yet, both).  Otherwise, why did we invest all that
> time in education when we could have saved money and gotten $32k/yr at
> nearby parsel delivery service which not that long ago was hiring at
> something like $16/hr.
> 
> At least, that is how some people see it.  Then there are the people who
> skipped school anyway to work in the techno industry.
>  
> > I came from a corporate networking background and entered the Internet world
> > (too late from the stock options point of view), so I know how to conduct
> > myself in the biz world. Many people don't want that gig. They want
> > t-shirts, shorts, sneakers, free soda, pizza parties, secure parking
> > for their Vespa scooters and no time accounting/flex hours.
> 
> I gotta say, low time accountability is nice.  I work 40 hours, just sign
> my name on a time sheet.  Work more or less, I write that down, then sign
> name.  Never worked anyplace much stricter than that.  
> 
> Secure parking is also really nice (and I think pretty much every employer
> should make a reasonable attempt to provide it, either by being in a
> low crime area, or at least by cutting a deal with a reasonably secure
> parking garage.  All the other perks you list don't really mean much to me
> or most of the people I know.
> 
> But then, I don't come from a hot bed of technotivity, so maybe us hicks
> standards is lower.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Joshua Boyd
> 
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