[geeks] Software Bloat

[Ken Hansen]

1960s... IIRC.

I'll look into it...

Back.

John Kemmeney (sp) wrote "BASIC Programming" in 1967,
so it looks like mid-sixties...

HTH,

Ken
--- Michael S Schiller <schiller at zaphod.agrijag.com>
wrote:
> Joshua D Boyd wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, Dec 17, 2001 at 02:16:10PM -0800, Ken
> Hansen wrote:
> > > Wow, is it just me or does anyone else feel old
> too?
> > >
> > > "... when BASIC had line numbers" indeed!
> > 
> > Well, of course, saying when BASIC had line
> numbers isn't the best way to put
> > it since my understanding is that BASIC originally
> didn't have line numbers.
> 
> When was BASIC written? I remember taking a computer
> programming class
> in 1976 using as PDP-11/70 running rsts/e and the
> BASIC there used line
> numbers. The terminals in the class were Teletype
> ASR-33's and the only
> method of saving a file (other than on the disk) was
> paper tape. We used
> to carry our programs around in 35mm film cans.
>  
> > I did do quite a bit of line number hacking in the
> late 80s (I was so proud of
> > drawing houses and triangles and stuff on the
> screen on my Toshiba T100).  And
> > then I continued using line numbers in basic until
> 1992ish when someone showed
> > me how to use labels in quickbasic on the mac. 
> Woo wee.  That sure made life a
> > lot more fun.  Quickbasic on the mac was so cool. 
> I used it at a local
> > university (not the one I'm now at though).
> > 
> > > Joshua, you crack me up... Maybe some day I'll
> explain
> > > to you why real programers only code up to
> column 71,
> > > and what it means to have a character in the
> 72nd
> > > column... ;^)
> > 
> > Hmm.
> > 
> > > Of course, you'll have to come visit me at the
> "old
> > > Coders Home", where we sit around and reminisce
> about
> > > punching humorous patterns with the papertape
> punch...
> > 
> > And where were you doing that?  Wasn't paper tape
> mostly gone by the time you
> > were a teen?  I know that where my dad worked
> (which wasn't cutting edge by any
> > means, being a mennonite church owned company in
> the thick of Lancaster PA ) in
> > the mid to late 80s paper tape wasn't around. 
> Before that they rented time on
> > another church owned companies computer, and I'm
> pretty sure that that also
> > didn't use paper tape, though I could be wrong.
> > 
> > > Oh, and the joy we felt when we could upgrade to
> the
> > > "god-like" speed of 300 baud dial-up access to
> the
> > > mainframe!
> > 
> > I never upgraded to that ole 300 baud.  That's
> were I started with my cutting
> > edge Tandy M100.  OK, the closest I've ever had to
> a cutting edge computer was
> > a low end 386 after 486s had long been out, a P200
> when P300s were the norm,
> > and a P2-350 dual when all my friends where
> getting P3-600s and better.  The
> > only the cutting edge about computers around here
> is how the get used.
> > 
> > --
> > Joshua D. Boyd
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> -- 
> -Mike
>
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